• AnyOldName3@lemmy.world
    208·
    13 days ago

    The Confederacy was fighting against the United States. Under tankie logic, that must mean that they’re virtuous and attempting to build communism. In reality, they were fighting to preserve chattel slavery.

    • Arcanepotato@crazypeople.onlineEnglish
      171·
      13 days ago

      Okay but Lenin considered the US Civil to be good actually

      But what a pedant, what an idiot would anyone be to deny on these grounds the immense, world-historic, progressive and revolutionary significance of the American Civil War of 1863-65!

      The representatives of the bourgeoisie understand that for the sake of overthrowing Negro slavery, of overthrowing the rule of the slaveowners, it was worth letting the country go through long years of civil war, through the abysmal ruin, destruction and terror that accompany every war. But now, when we are confronted with the vastly greater task of overthrowing capitalist wage-slavery, of overthrowing the rule of the bourgeoisie—now, the representatives and defenders of the bourgeoisie, and also the reformist socialists who have been frightened by the bourgeoisie and are shunning the revolution, cannot and do not want to understand that civil war is necessary and legitimate.

      https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1918/aug/20.htm

      • ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works
        101·
        13 days ago

        Yes. But these topics about tankies are about reinforcing ‘us/them’ rationalizations for those who already have their prejudice. The comments here certainly do.

        By providing a critical thinking from Lenin, you instead become the tankie, and therefore become incapable of critical thinking, per the meme. Therefore anything Lenin might’ve said or written can just be dismissed.

        And so the tankie can be mocked as a confederate chud nonetheless.

        • Arcanepotato@crazypeople.onlineEnglish
          41·
          13 days ago

          I had to read this a few times because I am high and thought you were being serious 😭

          I don’t want to people to think I’m knowledgeable or well read or anything I just googled it because I wasn’t sure what the meme was trying to say.

      • Rothe@piefed.socialEnglish
        69·
        13 days ago

        And? You seem to be under the delusion that tankies have actually read anything by their heroes.

        • 🇨🇦GreenBeard🇨🇦@lemmy.caEnglish
          53·
          13 days ago

          I think you’re mistaking the lunatic left for the lunatic right. The left usually did their homework at least. Better than the right who refuse to acknowledge what they call “Capitalism” has nothing to do with the foundational principles of the theory.

    • freagle@lemmy.mlEnglish
      92·
      13 days ago

      This is a straw man. Tankie logic clearly understands the concept of factions and factional disputes within a larger system. The US had two major bourgeois factions within it - agrarian raw materials producers/merchants and industrialists. These two factions were fighting for their faction’s existence and ultimately the power to dominate their colonized subjects in the way that seemed most beneficial to their faction.

    • Tomorrow_Farewell@lemmy.ml
      33·
      11 days ago

      The Confederacy was fighting against the United States. Under tankie logic, that must mean that they’re virtuous and attempting to build communism

      Lol.
      What we think is that slavery and colonialism is bad, and that, if forced to pick a side, it’s the side whose interests align more with those of the workers of the world.
      Also, rather funny to pretend that even the basic uncompromising “anti-US” stance would lead to siding with the US but with more slavery.