Democrats have approved dueling messages on immigration enforcement, disagreeing on whether U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement should be abolished or reformed.
  • Yggnar@lemmy.world
    821·
    13 days ago

    Dude fucking why? ICE didn’t even exist before 2003. They don’t need to exist now.

      • gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world
        29·
        13 days ago

        Michele Johnson, a DNC member from Louisiana who proposed the measure to abolish ICE, said it’s time for Democrats to take a stand and pointed to the dissolution of ICE’s predecessor agency, the Immigration and Naturalization Service, as a precedent.

        “I think one of the reasons why people are not trusting the party is because we sound so academic,” she said. “We sound focus group tested, we sound poll tested because we’re worried about saying the wrong thing or doing the wrong thing and not just like, just stand on business, like take a position.”

        I think the idea is to bring back the thing we had before 2003, INS, which definitely had its problems, but was a lot more like a bunch of IRS agents checking paperwork instead of the heavily armed and violent thing we’ve got with ICE

        • captainlezbian@lemmy.world
          7·
          13 days ago

          Yeah, not having immigration services isn’t on the table, but I sure do prefer the idea that they’re a bunch of bureaucrats without weapons

    • ultranaut@lemmy.world
      10·
      13 days ago

      There was still immigration and customs enforcement going on before the agency named ICE existed with that name. Regardless of what you want to call it, there will be an agency doing those things after ICE is abolished. There is not a world where the US stops enforcing immigration and customs laws after ICE is gone. The best we can hope for is the current ICE goons get sent to prison and a new organization gets built from the ground up that is less shitty.

    • vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works
      9·
      13 days ago

      Yeah border patrol at least has a theoretical reason to exist, even if that purpose devolves to paper pushers but ICE is at best redundant. Really the entirety of the department of homeland security is fucking worthless and should be dissolved with maybe the twin exceptions of the coast guard and FEMA.