Good thing this is paywalled.
Guess the end of democracy isn’t enough of a crisis for a f*ing newspaper to let people find out about it without a subscription fee.
America may be dying but at least it’s dying doing what it loves - playing chicken with disaster for a quick buck while pretending nobody has any responsibility to anybody else.
Trump Just Did More Damage to American Elections Than China His speech was a mash-up of charges that aren’t supported by the documents he released.
By Tom Nichols July 16, 2026
President Trump addressed the American people tonight and told them that their elections are at the mercy of foreign actors—especially China. He called the current situation a “crisis” and vowed to prevent any future elections from being “stolen.” He directed the public to a website where people can peruse documents that he says prove not only that bad actors have influenced U.S. elections, but that all of this was kept from him by “deep state” malefactors during his first term.
Foreign powers do, in fact, try to influence American elections, but that was about all that the president—who seems shocked that other nations have preferences about who wins elected office in the United States—got right. The rest was a mishmash: Much of the previously classified material that Trump just splattered on the internet does not support his accusations, and in some cases, these declassified documents actually undermine and refute his charges.
Trump’s speech tonight rested on a few solid facts submerged in wild, and even somewhat paranoid, extrapolations. It’s true that bad actors have accessed basic data about the names and addresses of voters in several states. It’s also true that China has some pretty strong views about Trump and probably didn’t want him to be reelected in 2020. (The Chinese wanted him out because, Trump said, “I was wise to them,” which does not explain how he was nonetheless hoodwinked.)
From there, however, we slip the surly bonds of Earth and head into the dark and cold of the space of conspiracy theories. Trump strongly implied that in 2018, China was on the attack and trying to influence the outcome of the 2020 election, and that American intelligence operatives plotted to keep that from him while he was in the Oval Office. He said that attempts to rectify all of this have fallen “catastrophically short” but that he will take “swift” action in the coming days.
The documents he offered tonight, though, tell a different story—so different that they raise the question of whether Trump, or anyone else in the White House, actually read them.
For example, one of the memos from the National Intelligence Council (the analytical group within the Office of the Director of National Intelligence) said in 2020 that the group in charge of cyberissues and threats to U.S. elections “assesses that Beijing has taken at least some low-level, exploratory steps to undermine the President’s reelection chances by denigrating him and shaping voter perceptions.”
That sounds pretty bad. Except that (as often happens in the intelligence community) this group was representing a minority view, as it says in the very next sentence: “Their assessment differs from the IC’s judgment that Beijing has considered but not deployed influence efforts to affect the Presidential election.”
So, which is it? The IC (shorthand for intelligence community) seems to have reached a pretty firm judgment in these documents: “The IC,” one of the memos says (with some passages redacted),
has seen no evidence that Beijing is engaged in an effort to influence the outcome of the presidential election, nor has it observed activity that it assesses is likely the result of such an effort by Beijing. While we have seen Beijing develop other options that could be used to influence the election, we have not seen these capabilities deployed.
Note that what these documents discuss are influence operations—propaganda, proxies who speak for foreign interests, fake stories, and so on—rather than interference, which would involve actual manipulation of data or sabotaging of electoral infrastructure. These classified revelations, despite Trump’s assertions, show that the intelligence community didn’t even agree that China was fully engaged even in these more limited influence operations.
One document says, with more firmness, that the Chinese were attempting to undermine Trump’s chances and to pressure business partners into withdrawing support for the president’s reelection. This is perfectly plausible behavior from a U.S. adversary. Of course, Trump skipped over the part about other nations, including one where “senior officials” and their leader were seeking to “covertly influence US politicians’ and political candidates’ thinking” about the election.
That nation? Turkey.
On one point, however, the declassified reports are clear. One country, more than any other, actively engaged in operations against the 2020 election: Russia. And the Russians had a clear preference:
We assess that Russia is using a range of measures to denigrate former Vice President Biden and what it sees as an anti-Russia establishment. For example, it is directing or encouraging proxies to spread claims about Vice President Biden. Some Kremlin-linked actors are also seeking to boost President Trump’s candidacy on social media.
This isn’t news, but Trump carefully cherry-picked his way around it. In charts provided by the White House itself that compare Russia, China, and Iran, only Russia is judged to be actively involved in such efforts.
Trump not only ignored these multiple (and much more categorical) judgments; he interpreted the normal in-house fighting that goes on every day in the intelligence community as evidence of some sort of plot against him. He made much of a comment in a group email—these conspirators were pretty relaxed about sending their nefarious ideas around to everyone—about “massaging” the President’s daily brief to take out references to the 2020 election. But the conversation was clearly about which product would include such issues, and how strongly the minority view would be stated. Like so much else in the speech and the documents, Trump threw everything he could find at the wall in the hope that some of it would stick.
So what, then, was the point of Trump’s speech? First, he is almost certainly trying to soothe his wounded ego over the 2020 election. He is obsessed with his loss to Biden and wants to blame it on foreign manipulation. But Trump might also have a darker motive, attacking the integrity of American elections because he wants to delegitimize the coming midterms—and perhaps even create the predicate for interfering in them.
The Chinese, the Russians, the Iranians, the North Koreans, and many other enemies of the United States clearly hope to undermine the faith of every American citizen in their own elections. But no regime, no spies, no saboteurs have yet matched the damage that America’s own president did tonight.
Actually it loads fine. Maybe try a text based browser?
Do you expect these journalists to work for free? Sure they could make the site ad supported but then you have to deal with that.
If you read the documents, China did not interfere at all. They wanted Trump to be president and the American people did this all by themselves.
Voters doing absolutely nothing to stop a self serving grifter rapist insurrectionist with a stated intention to do, and past record of doing just that, kinda does that.
But try telling the sitouts that.
As I understand his argument, it goes like: the 2020 Trump administration so badly bungled national security that foreign agents corrupted the election. The 2024 Biden administration fixed things enough to produce a fair election. Now that Trump is back in charge, he, himself, is saying that the 2026 election is going to be just as corrupt as the last time he was in charge.
Seems highly out of character to admit that he’s incompetent., but whatever
The 2024 Biden administration fixed things enough to produce a fair election.
AIPAC laughing its ass off
You do realize the statement is from Trump’s point of view?
Clearly it was all the fault of Obamna.
He invented a threat to which the only solution is giving him more power.
You don’t have to even look at the details.
@minorkeys @inclementimmigrant ugh, that’s what they always do. Send “them” back to Germany where laws would likely take care of them and drag Ivana’s remains and send them to putin.
As an American, I can’t say that I ever felt threatened by China. But by American Confederates? Definitely.
The intelligent American, checking in. Thanks man. Tell your friends.
Yes that was the goal. And if he doesn’t get that bill passed (and frankly even it goes through) then Americans will be saying hello to his private army dragging people off at the polls. This has been predicted since day 1. The only thing this speech did was start getting his troops in motion. Everyone knows there was no proof of anything except the opposite of what he said in those documents, but that wasn’t the point because his cultists don’t read.
He did no such thing. He just did what he’s been doing for the last 10 years and continued making more claims with no evidence.
Elections remain firmly in the control of states, for now. For exactly this reason.
Not true… There is evidence…He released documents that directly show Russian interference in the election on his behalf, and them being the source of the fake Biden/Burisma stuff.
So, just not evidence of what he claimed.
Counterpoint: China helped elect Trump
In what way?
Propaganda, same as the CIA and the US does it. Either both are correct or both are wrong. And it wasn’t just China either.
Thanks. I knew about the Russian stuff but this is the first I’ve heard about Chinese actions in this vein.
Heh yeah I was going to say. I’ve seen you around posting enough that I certainly didn’t think you were a campist.
I try my best not to be, but living in the west I will acknowledge the possibility that I have some bias towards my own culture.
But I am openly biased against governments because fuck the state.
You and me both. 🤜🤛
Yep we should always be able to question what we know. Otherwise how do we know that we really know it. And yeah, I can’t think of a good state. There are some that are less damaging but that has more to do with external factors than the state itself.
Exactly. Blind faith just makes you a sucker.
Propaganda
Systematic partisan content skews in TikTok during the 2024 US elections
We doing the “Singapore company heavily invested in by US Tech Billionaires is Chinese State Propaganda”? Is this like how Facebook is controlled by Russia? Or FOX News is the black hand of the insidious Australians? Is Twitter a cut-out for the ANC of South Africa?
How many American billionaires are going to do American propaganda on American media platforms before Americans realize that the ones pushing an American politician born in America and heavily influential in both American political parties are American?
And it wasn’t just China either.
You know someone’s just dishing xenophobic agitprop when they fish out a fist full of “Evil Foreigners Are Controlling The Media” but refuse to mention India, Qatar, the UK, or Israel.
But it still rankles that every single major media studio has a HQ in NY, Chicago, or LA, and y’all never stop to think “Fuck, maybe that’s where the propaganda is coming from.”
You know someone’s just dishing xenophobic agitprop…
Why do all these assclown China-defenders post the same way?
you just know eh?
Found the campist. 🤡
Just because byte dance who still owned Tick Tock in 2020 pushed us servers off to singapore. Doesn’t mean that byte dance and by extension the Chinese government no longer had control. Tick Tock has always been right wing owned. Bite dance has always been a capitalist company. The current CCP is state capitalist. But the major shift to American capitalist ownership didn’t even have until 2026. Long after they had helped elect Trump again. And things have arguably only gotten worse.
And what are you? Bibi netanyahu’s brother? Yes I am exactly as racist against China for being against their government, as people who are against the government of Israel are anti-semitic. Which is to say I’m not. I’m also against the government of the United States Canada UK etc etc etc generally. But damn you’re disappointing. You had a perfect chance to use your camps buzzword and you missed it. I was waiting for you to call me sinophobic. Which I mean was basically what you did. But even as a 🤡 you did it in the most impotent and baseless way.
O don’t know where the hate for China comes from. Oh their spying on you. Oh their cars could spy on you. So no different then every American company. But i guess american spying good Chinese bad. I which both these fucking countries would just implode. It would be hard since UA minor countries would have to actually start doing shit ourselves but with it.
First of all, nobody here ever said the USA was great.
China is an authoritarian state which bans the mere sharing of information as a criminal offense. They have successfully committed multiple genocides. They promote war abroad by backing similar regimes in North Korea, Vietnam, Indonesia, Venezuela, Cuba, and Iran, often funneling weapons in during the process. They singlehandedly kept the Russian invasion of Ukraine afloat. They have conquered Tibet and Hong Kong with millitant force and are preparing to conquer Taiwan and part of India. They used the IRGC to attack a music festival in Israel and jumpstart the most recent round of war across the entire middle east. They now have military footholds across Africa recently. They promoted Donald Trump and the GOP as well as alt-right leaders in Germany and other EU provinces. Even their trade practices are scummy by utilizing largescale slave labor and subsidies to undercut all competition and doing currency manipulation to make countries under hard times have even harder times as their economic recovery is seen as strengthening their enemies: everyone not subservient is their enemy.
So fuck China. China is the largest threat to human life on earth. China must be destroyed before they destroy us all.
I just hate the state myself. I’ve worked with Chinese, Taiwanese, Korean, Japanese, Philippino and even know a tiny tiny useless bit of Mandarin. They’re just people like everyone else. Just as the state is always the state, and not your friend. Doesn’t matter where they come from.
There absolutely should be none of these unwieldy unmanageable entities state or business wise. Just self governing communities allying with other communities for mutual benefit and aid. Not holding eachother back. Tribalism/campism is always the stumbling block.
byte dance who still owned Tick Tock in 2020
And who owns ByteDance?
Sequoia Capital, General Atlantic, SoftBank
:-/
Yes I am exactly as racist against China
At least we’re getting to the nut of it.
Fucking wild to tune into MSNBC and get the latest “China Invasion Of American Media” scare story, then spin around and call someone else a campist, though.
🤡

Chinese companies like byte dance still answer to the Chinese government. Who is notoriously controlling. It doesn’t matter who the major investors are. All the investors care is if they are making money and if they stand to make more.
You cannot celebrate China as a country that regularly puts people in Chinese companies to death for what it’s deems corruption. And not simultaneously claim that such companies are free to operate however they want independently.
And if you’re going to keep being bad faith and using baseless arguments. Which you are. Again use the right terms. I don’t even watch it, but even I know it’s MSNow not MSNBC.
Chinese companies like byte dance still answer to the Chinese government.
Bytedance isn’t a Chinese company. It’s a multinational - just like so many of the other social media companies - with corporate oversight coming from the same Silicon Valley cartel that backed Trump on every other platform.
And if you’re going to keep being bad faith
Why is it so hard for you to accept that Americans did this to themselves?
Why do you need to make this an Evil Foreigner problem that can be used as a rationale for war?
Beijing operated psyop TikTok favored Republicans and even promoted Trump by name, leading to the largest ever shift rightwards to conservative among youth voters ever recorded in the USA.
Pretty sure China wouldn’t mind an utter imbecile as US president every single time.
I have some news about your past presidents…
That is a careful what you wish for.
Not so smart as to challenge competitively, but not so dumb as to think they can go bombing whoever they feel like to get their way.
Trump just did more damage to American elections than he did damage to Iran.
Well yeah, because China didn’t damage them at all.
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The CCP and PLA knew MAGA would weaken the USA and that is what they want. There are enough dumbfuck voters in the USA that will continue to guzzle down the shit from Moscow and Beijing.
America does American thing Americanly:
IT WAS THOSE GOD DAMN FOREIGNERS!!

Was he trying to damage China?
Just making up shit so he can reject the results when he gets pantsed
You called?
It was a call to action. Unlike US politics, we’re expecting to actually see results. Get to it!
Both
Pantsed where? He can’t run again he’s not gonna be on the ballot in 2028
A felon with dozens of convictions is running the place, and has already successfully taken many actions that should be illegal for the president to do. I somehow doubt they’ll suddenly start caring about the rules now.
And who’s going to hold him to that? It won’t even be the first unconstitutional thing he’s done today.
That’s what you think. The constitution doesn’t matter anymore. He never stopped campaigning after the last election.
He has done all sorts of shit that he’s not supposed to be able to do. He’s literally a convicted felon FFS. He “can’t” redact or classify Epstein docs either but somehow he manages.