I’m not saying it’s healthy consent, but it’s a form of consent insofar as you are in control of your faculties. Obviously we as individuals should aim higher than that but as far as a legal or moral standard for where you can have responsibility for your actions, I think that’s where the line is. And yeah blurring the line by saying two drunk people having otherwise consensual sex is mutual rape or silly things like that is eroding people’s responsibility for their own actions, as here.

Like if Platner killed a guy in the same condition would you be saying these things? Like oh how could he have prevented it when he was so drunk… I just don’t think that argument has any merit. We are ultimately accountable for our own actions unless we’re so impaired that they can’t be said to be actions.

I disagree. You may also be afraid of the consequences. I don’t think a normal person with a healthy concept of consent is going to rape someone no matter how drunk they are. It’s people who are close to doing that already that are going to be pushed over the edge by a lack of inhibitions.

As far as drunken consent it’s obviously a bit hazy but I personally think the idea that any amount of alcohol negates consent is a bit silly. When we’re talking about alcohol negating consent we’re talking about people who are impaired to the extent that they either don’t know what’s going on or can’t clearly express their preferences. If you are physically and mentally capable of rape you are obviously not this impaired. In fact I think the muddying of the waters that some people have done here is a bit dangerous as it gives cover for people to behave badly when drunk and claim that they’re no responsible for their actions, which again, I think is nonsense.

You don’t rape someone because you got too drunk. That only happens if you think rape is OK but you’ve been holding yourself back from it. Most of us have been drunk plenty of times without hurting anyone. So I don’t find that argument too convincing.

Plus I think this was after 2013 so maybe he should have taken his own advice and this wouldn’t have happened. If you know you lose control when drunk then ultimately I think you do have a responsibility to stop doing it.

Is there any evidence whatsoever that Platner had grown beyond this incident which was pretty recent anyway?

Reminds me of all the christian nationalists shrieking about sharia law when their ideal government is like 80% identical to that. There are many examples of this phenomenon.

Honestly it’s the only thing that gives me hope. The right is so powerful and obedient but its various sects somehow hate each other even more than leftists do.

But that could be any rich old white politician…

No, it’s a different person. Appears more credible but I haven’t investigated too deeply.

Eh I wouldn’t get too hopeful. Lots of people linger in relatively poor health for many years, even decades. Especially when they have good healthcare. It’s possible but I think he’s likely to outlive his term at this point.

So brave. Needs updating for things that are more controversial today. Trans rights, open borders, kicking police out of your neighborhood, etc.

Could be true. Depends on how you’re using the term too. I think people who self-identify as antifa might be more prone to masking. Whereas if you include all people who engage in anti-fascist resistance, which includes a lot of normie liberals and various people, I don’t think most of those people are masking.

Are rail right-of-ways that wide though?

Some do I’ll concede. But this is not what the average liberal wants. They want way more parking lots.

https://youtu.be/vvCGZEqk8Ak

Nice try, FBI.

I mean resistance against the authoritarian government has been criminalized forever. Trump has made it a lot worse but it’s not fundamentally different than what was going on in the past.

But again, most anti-fascists don’t hide their faces anyway and if you watch any footage of their various protests you will see that.

Meh, the union wasn’t much better. Best to abolish the whole USA and start over.

Most antifa don’t even hide their faces and to the extent they do it’s because the government has (falsely) labeled it a terrorist organization, so participating in resistance against fascism could get you decades in prison.

These people face no such risks. They’re just pathetic cowards who want to intimidate others.

I wish liberals wanted this…

I was referencing that my local schools got rid of buses several rounds of austerity ago in favor of free public bus fares for students. And in a more recent round of austerity they also got rid of those. So now it’s drive or get fucked I guess. Gotta teach those kids to support themselves I suppose.

You guys are getting buses?