• Doomsider@lemmy.world
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    5 days ago

    Why!? We already know it is a genocide.

    The name changed because it doesn’t meet the statutory definition of the law. This has zero to do with it being a genocide outside of one narrow definition. This is the same logic that Maga uses to deny Trump is a rapist

    People also argue if what is happening in Palestine is a genocide. There are many people who don’t believe what happened to the Native Americans is an ongoing genocide or what the US has done by locking up and destroying minority families (also a genocide). Just because they aren’t actively slaughtering them doesn’t suddenly make it not a genocide.

    https://www.genocidewatch.com/what-is-genocide

    Shouldn’t you go somewhere else to deny this genocide, since that is your part? A genocide denier through and through.

      • Doomsider@lemmy.world
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        4 days ago

        Thanks for deep diving into the reason why. Although there are many scholarly articles calling it a genocide

        https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/01419870.2021.2001556#abstract

        https://www.humanrightsresearch.org/post/persecution-of-uyghurs-in-xinjiang-torture-crimes-against-humanity-and-genocide

        https://www.ushmm.org/m/pdfs/November_2021_Uyghur_Report.pdf

        https://www.mdpi.com/2075-471X/9/1/1

        https://newlinesinstitute.org/wp-content/uploads/Chinas-Breaches-of-the-GC3.pdf

        https://digitalcommons.usf.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1834&context=gsp

        I said it was settled fact. That is not up for debate with me, but you are of course welcome to continue to deny the genocide like you have been.

        I am not just posting for you, I am very aware you don’t consider any sources I use valid. This is a common tactic of tankies. No surprise there.

        You are of course wrong, but that is okay. You are primarily driven by ideology rather than logic. This allows you to discredit everything that disagrees with your view as western propaganda which really isn’t wrong as everything is technically propaganda. The devil is in sussing out what is true and what is not by understanding the intent and circumstances.

        I don’t believe China is slaughtering Uyghur, although they have definitely killed more than just what normal police action would cause. What they are doing is a slow burn genocide similar to what the US has been doing for years. A polite genocide if you will.

        I don’t really have a dog in this fight because I am not pro China or pro USA. I have been involved with Amnesty International and I have assisted in getting political prisoners released from both countries. I truly view both nations as utterly corrupt partners in making billionaires richer. Why any self respecting leftist would carry water for them is beyond me.

              • Doomsider@lemmy.world
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                3 days ago

                You act like a dog chasing its own tail and when you bite down you get excited like you finally caught something that matters. Case in point the article and the rest of the world recognizes China has altered a huge number of Mosques. Your obsession with China raising them (which has happened under the guise of consolidation) is a red hearing you beat to death. It is pathetic.

                Once again you try to spin some elaborate conspiracy theory when the reality is China just violates human rights just like every fucking country in the world. You keep repeating the razing statement when that was never the crux of the situation constructing a silly strawman your head.

                I show you literal photographic proof China is altering Mosques and you say it isn’t fact. This is so ridiculous I can’t even. Your act completely disingenuous. How do you expect anyone to take you seriously except your band of genocide deniers.

                https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/11/22/china-mosques-shuttered-razed-altered-muslim-areas

                It is clear that China has been closing religious worship sites under the guise of consolidation. I don’t view this as razing mosques myself as there could be legitimate reasons. What matters is China’s long history of cultural erasure since their forced cultural revolution. I don’t buy your excuse that it is a whole new government just like I don’t buy the excuse that the US is not responsible for it’s history of human rights abuses.

                Wondering where you get all your propaganda from so I reversed searched some of the garbage you spew and came up with this.

                https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202011/17/WS5fb30a8aa31024ad0ba9477a_3.html

                Oh yes the Imperialist West and everything else you have said word for word, meanwhile China.

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_imperialism

                This is what I mean by a dog chasing its own tail. Like a bunch of Spiderman pointing at each other. China has correctly pointed out US human rights violations in the past just as the US as highlighted what China has done. Personally I believe the US is way worse, but that doesn’t excuse China simply because they are objectively not as bad (especially with the projection of power, although China is trying to catch up by providing arms to war torn countries in Africa).

                I do appreciate your examination of South Africa. How the persecutors pretend to be the persecuted is a little much. It is refreshing to see you can critical examine this even if you are incapable of doing the same for China. Make no mistake that criticism of the Chinese government is warranted. I have no issues with the Chinese people and I do hope for the best for them.

                Yes, you lap up propaganda. There is no doubt. You should feel embarrassed by this discussion. Show me you have the capability of impartiality and talk to me about the MSS and the Chinese surveillance state since you seem to only care about the CIA.

                https://www.hrw.org/report/2019/05/01/chinas-algorithms-repression/reverse-engineering-xinjiang-police-mass

                Oh yes, the TIC is strong in China and they are helping to spread it around the world. As the MIC is sunsetted (thank God) the new world order of billionaires that is brought to us by the Chinese and US partnership comes to fruition.

                You are so stuck in the past with your thinking it isn’t funny. It is not even about nations anymore as you sit there and cheer your chosen nation like a good campist. I am over the saber rattling between these partner nations, but you keep falling for it like a hooked fish.

                  • Doomsider@lemmy.world
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                    2 days ago

                    Your not familiar with China’s cultural revolution and subsequent cultural erasure. Without this context your essentially unable to see the bigger picture.

                    I am sorry, but I will trust individuals stories and human rights organization like Amnesty International over Chinese propaganda. I find it strange you deny all these personal stories, but to each his own.

                    Since it is clear you are not scholarly when it comes to history I suppose I will just have to accept that you are missing too much context to understand that there is plenty of legitimate criticism without having to be funded by the CIA.

                    No nation in existence deserves humanity at this point. Perhaps someday there will be a government that does.