Oh yes, but the resulting sharecropping was cool and pitting families against each other to fight the wealthy’s war was great. Now run along like a good little propagandized fascist fuck.
More like look at how the government uses their citizens to fight against each other to decide which wealthy group gets control. Truly a disgusting display of manipulation and inability to govern somehow transformed into “freeing the slaves” when the resulting sharecropping was often worse than slavery. Propaganda is one hell of a drug.
Sure, sounds good. Take care
I am tired of you repeating yourself. It gets really old and I already debunked everything you said. You are really not that far from Trump with how you repeat garbage over and over again hoping it will stick. It is kind of sad really. I feel bad for you.
The last little bit about propaganda just shows you have no clue what your are talking about. You are a shinning example of why Trump won. Your opposition plays directly into his hands. Why don’t you try and fact check Trump some more to see what good it will do. Trying the same failed strategy is the definition of defeat and it is clear you have been defeated.
You have not proven the meme is misleading, let alone contains misinformation. I have stated this clearly and the fact that you choose to ignore it is on you. A meme will never contain the context you expect here and I will be frank. You are absolutely acting ridiculous in your expectations. It is a meme not a novel.
I already gave you another reasonable explanation that Trump is abusing the military. He is not building it up. To think increased funding leading to vanity projects such as a battleship are building it up is farcical. He has done more damage to the military, its leaders, its culture, and operational capacity than any President in a long time.
We have lost so many bases in the Middle East in the last few months it isn’t funny and this is why the carrier was out of supplies. Rather than admit there was a logistical problem, Pete hid this reality from everyone. This isn’t strength, this is weakness.
You don’t know how to fight Trumpism, this is clear. You are the problem with his opposition. You are clueless to reality and offer no real solutions and instead fall back to what lost the election in the first place. Focusing on facts over feelings. It isn’t working. Get a clue.
You have once again disappointed me with your response. The fact that you want me to acknowledge I am wrong just shows how completely out of fucking touch you are. I have pointed out the distinction you made is garbage and all this amounts to is you whining about memes in general and complaining about the community rather than anything remotely substantial.
Sorry, they are a bundled package now.
“but using that photograph as evidence that Trump somehow left the U.S. military looking like this is misleading.”
It is not misleading. It is factual. The current administration’s decision to extend the deployment directly lead to the state of the ship.
“Those are substantive criticisms that deserve discussion.”
This meme is what lead to you saying this. Mission accomplished!?
“Instead, we get this stupid little meme that takes a completely legitimate photograph, strips away all of its context, and presents it as though it is evidence of something it does not actually demonstrate.”
This is straight nonsensical. It is also disingenuous, dismissive, and deceptive. The photo is the context that proves Trump is not rebuilding the military. He is using and abusing it as demonstrated by this picture. Your inability to see this is staggering to say the least.
“That’s the problem I keep seeing on Lemmy: a legitimate political point gets wrapped in misinformation because the misinformation makes the meme more effective.”
There was no misinformation, this is just an excuse for you to talk shit and it really makes you look like a fucking idiot.
“People then repeat it because it supports a conclusion they already agree with.”
You certainly repeat yourself a lot in this post.
“I don’t think that’s acceptable simply because the target is Trump.”
Nonsense.
“We shouldn’t respond to that by adopting the same tactics.”
Yes, we should because it works on the low information “feels people” Trump is manipulating. Obviously the fact that Trump is a rapist and charlatan isn’t convincing them. Making fun of Trump does work because it hurts his image and the feels of his followers. If they think Trump is uncool he is done.
"You can criticize Trump’s claims about “rebuilding the military.”
This meme did that effectively.
“You can criticize defense spending, procurement failures, maintenance problems, military readiness, the defense industrial complex, or the extraordinary deployment demands being placed on the Navy. There are plenty of legitimate arguments to make.”
Once again, a picture is worth a thousand words.
“We don’t need to manufacture evidence to make those arguments.”
You have failed to prove this and restating it over and over again is the same stupid tactic Trump uses. At this point you are not using facts and are using feelings. Pretty sus.
“If our standard becomes “misinformation is acceptable when it hurts the people we dislike,” then we’ve abandoned the very standard we’re supposedly defending.”
Repeat ad nauseum. Also what you are saying has been dubunked time and time again. Trump voters are not swayed by facts.
https://youtu.be/S8DQ2kseTWw?is=qxuWhKmhA-qwsVcq
“Worse, we’ve made ourselves vulnerable to exactly the same rhetorical tactics when they’re used against us.”
This straight laughable. First, what you said was not even true to begin with. Your opinion isn’t supported by anything other than your own hangups and failure to understand how politics are currently working.
“Being better than Trump and his political movement means more than disagreeing with them. It means refusing to become comfortable with the methods we condemn when they’re politically convenient.”
Let me fix this for you. There is no being better and even if there was it wouldn’t win in the current climate. Winning is what matters and being factual is not winning. The only way to win is to turn these same tactics against Trump. Ridicule is what gets under this regime’s skin and it is what changes public opinion.
So you are wrong on multiple levels hence my complete disappointment and realization that you are fucking rambling at this point using the exact same tactics (repeating untruths over and over again) this administration uses.
If you think the only way to beat Trump is to convince people like you have convinced me…well let’s just say you are missing the mark. A lot.
Anyone who actually thinks about what you wrote would tell you the same thing. You have constructed a strawman in regards to the meaning of this meme. There is no misinformation presented that you have identified to my discernment.
A picture is worth a thousand words and this picture highlights the long deployment and torment the sailors had to go through.
We should definitely use the tactics the enemy uses if they are effective and this administration operates purely off vibes. Facts don’t matter, but feelings do. This is exactly how we should be attacking them.
I get you want to dismiss criticism, but I think you are way off base with me. I was genuinely excited to read your post. This is not a debate rather it is a discussion. The reality is you didn’t add anything meaningful other than nonsensical complaints.
Also, don’t forget that US corporations have gone along with this and are refusing to give the money back to the people who they took it from. The entire system is complicit and there are no good guys anymore.
Close enough for US education.
More open back doors than Grindr.
Excited about big post, it must have lots of good information. Incredibly disappointed after reading it. Nonsensical complaints and logic fallacies abound all under the guise of correctness. Yes, we need to fight lies with facts with an administration that could care less about facts.
I have already said I won’t be using any site requiring this unless there is a work around. I will not make advertisers lives easier. Fuck them.
While I am generally inclined to pick the lesser of two evils, not in this case. So while you are not wrong about a centralized system being less problematic, I personally cannot accept it. I gave up Meta, Zombie Twitter, Reddit, etc already.
They are not going to stop it with people like you rolling over. Pathetic, but I guess you can pretend there is a silver lining.
Oh wait, that silver lining is apparently you bending over, dropping trow, spreading those cheeks and shouting, “is that wide enough!”
Probably when “AI hacks” our monetary system and we have to replace the dollar with stable coins. This has to be done before 2028.
Your arguing for the elimination of privacy as a solution to privacy.
You are naive if you think this is anything other than a demand from advertisers to ensure it is human being advertised to and not a bot.
You can’t violate and protect privacy at the same time.
We made a bad decision and people got upset.
The problem according to Sony: the people.
Get bent Sony, you put your front line workers through this bullshit, you don’t get to cry foul. How fucking stupid.
Did I say slavery was a good thing? Man you are fucking stupid.