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Aside from the thing I’ve done I’ve done nothing. Got it.
I don’t think you know what that phrase means. I don’t dislike the messenger because of the message. I distrust the message because of the messenger, which is perfectly valid. If the messenger is untrustworthy then why should I trust them?? Maybe they’re telling the truth, but they have to go the extra mile to make me trust them. Also why are they the only one? Why is almost every one of the muslim majority nations disbelieving the CIA when it comes to that genocide, but they all believe that there is a genocide in Palestine? Well, all of them except Uyghur advocacy groups, who support pissrael[1] apparently.
My distrust of the messenger comes from how they have acted throughout history. But even if we ignore that the CIA never once, afaik in it’s entire history, was with the side fighting for human rights, but always sided with the oppressors, then there still is the issue that the CIA is not an impartial party in this. They are funding the sufi terrorists. That terrorist network that operated in Xinjiang grew out of the US supported mujaheddin, which grew into the US supported al-qaeda and spread like a malignant tumor all over WACA since. They are deeply embedded in muslim terrorist networks, starting back in the 70s. Their assets are getting imprisoned, their effort getting thwarted, this is like taking whatever Russia is saying about what’s happening in east Ukraine at face value. They have a vested interest in making up or puffing up stories of abuse which is why whatever they saying should be faced with even more intense scrutiny to sort the wheat from the chaff.
That’s what fact-checking is like, and why the gish-gallopping and constant goalshifting is so effective. The devil is in the details as they say. Also I’m never 100% sure what the claim is, all-out genocide, “cultural” genocide, severe human rights violations? Are the mosques razed, altered, renovated what’s the actual position? It’s never really clear.
see that’s what I mean, the paper that I was talking about, the one you linked, asserted that China is “razing […] mosques”, citing a paper where that mosque was under the section “demolished mosques”, but now we’re downgrading to “shutting down and altering”? This blase approach to details is mindboggling when we’re talking about allegations of genocide by an adversarial nation. Imagine if people were talking about pissrael demolishing mosques but it just turns out they are giving them a new facade with hebrew lettering instead of arabic. It would instantly disqualify them (correctly imo) but here we just play fast and loose with the details. Razing centuries old mosques and altering the facade of newly built mosques is all the same after all…
I’ll decide what I believe and what I consider to be up for debate myself. I get that you just believe the western media because you’re that far gone in your ideology, but I think we need to look at falsifiable claims and prove them instead of whatever this is. Also your claim that this is a settled debate is not true at all. Basically no one outside of the western world believes this is happening.
Honestly after seeing pictures used to insinuate a mosque has been razed only to find out that it’s actually very much still standing I don’t believe anything coming out of… cursory glance at the sources again the CIA? this is just goofy now come on
Also you know how I got the mosque wrong and spend so much time confusedly looking at the Kashgar Id Kah mosque? Well the most I could find that was alleged was the removal of a plaque at the gate. Well:
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202011/17/WS5fb30a8aa31024ad0ba9477a_3.html
I leave it to you to fact-check it if you want. So I don’t expect much from that ft’s articles allegations as well. Also I’ve been very open about the fact that I would only consider post-2023 major happenings as I consider anything before that pretty much settled and don’t have the time to revisit it all.
backed and financed by the CIA. Do you think that organisations like radio free asia operate independently from the CIA? It’s just a front for the CIA.
My self-indoctrination by looking at the allegations in details and coming to my own conclusions? As if you haven’t been indoctrinated to deny the genocide of the white farmers in South Africa
(a position I would agree with, there is no white genocide in SA). Also your assertion that I “look up to China or Russia” is again you just thinking you know what’s going when you clearly don’t and are wrong. I don’t “look up” to any nation. But I believe that some nations are way more evil than others.
What evidence
? No, what I believe is that they have a bunch of uyghur people who, for various reasons, chose the US over the PRC. Now, they know that the financial support they receive in the countries they live in is contingent on them being useful to the propaganda effort else they get dropped. See e.g. Guan Heng[2]. So they take a story like the Keriye Id Kah mosque’s gatehouse getting demolished and puff it up as if the entire mosque was destroyed. This is already a known phenomenon see e.g. Yeonmi Park for a particularly egregious example.
Yeah same to you, yours is somewhat longer though
the gall to think that I am just “lapping up propaganda” instead of fact-checking, when it was fact-checking that got me where I am is just utter projection. This will also likely be my last message in this chain. I think I’ve shown what I intended to show, whether you’re willing to actually look or just dismiss it all with a sneer is of course up to you.
https://www.firstpost.com/opinion/why-uyghur-groups-have-contradictory-stances-on-israel-hamas-war-13813376.html ↩︎
https://www.npr.org/2025/12/17/g-s1-102229/china-xinjiang-uyghurs-us-deportation ↩︎
You act like a dog chasing its own tail and when you bite down you get excited like you finally caught something that matters. Case in point the article and the rest of the world recognizes China has altered a huge number of Mosques. Your obsession with China raising them (which has happened under the guise of consolidation) is a red hearing you beat to death. It is pathetic.
Once again you try to spin some elaborate conspiracy theory when the reality is China just violates human rights just like every fucking country in the world. You keep repeating the razing statement when that was never the crux of the situation constructing a silly strawman your head.
I show you literal photographic proof China is altering Mosques and you say it isn’t fact. This is so ridiculous I can’t even. Your act completely disingenuous. How do you expect anyone to take you seriously except your band of genocide deniers.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/11/22/china-mosques-shuttered-razed-altered-muslim-areas
It is clear that China has been closing religious worship sites under the guise of consolidation. I don’t view this as razing mosques myself as there could be legitimate reasons. What matters is China’s long history of cultural erasure since their forced cultural revolution. I don’t buy your excuse that it is a whole new government just like I don’t buy the excuse that the US is not responsible for it’s history of human rights abuses.
Wondering where you get all your propaganda from so I reversed searched some of the garbage you spew and came up with this.
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202011/17/WS5fb30a8aa31024ad0ba9477a_3.html
Oh yes the Imperialist West and everything else you have said word for word, meanwhile China.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_imperialism
This is what I mean by a dog chasing its own tail. Like a bunch of Spiderman pointing at each other. China has correctly pointed out US human rights violations in the past just as the US as highlighted what China has done. Personally I believe the US is way worse, but that doesn’t excuse China simply because they are objectively not as bad (especially with the projection of power, although China is trying to catch up by providing arms to war torn countries in Africa).
I do appreciate your examination of South Africa. How the persecutors pretend to be the persecuted is a little much. It is refreshing to see you can critical examine this even if you are incapable of doing the same for China. Make no mistake that criticism of the Chinese government is warranted. I have no issues with the Chinese people and I do hope for the best for them.
Yes, you lap up propaganda. There is no doubt. You should feel embarrassed by this discussion. Show me you have the capability of impartiality and talk to me about the MSS and the Chinese surveillance state since you seem to only care about the CIA.
https://www.hrw.org/report/2019/05/01/chinas-algorithms-repression/reverse-engineering-xinjiang-police-mass
Oh yes, the TIC is strong in China and they are helping to spread it around the world. As the MIC is sunsetted (thank God) the new world order of billionaires that is brought to us by the Chinese and US partnership comes to fruition.
You are so stuck in the past with your thinking it isn’t funny. It is not even about nations anymore as you sit there and cheer your chosen nation like a good campist. I am over the saber rattling between these partner nations, but you keep falling for it like a hooked fish.
That is but one example. That was the very first thread I pulled, the first example I looked at, it’s hardly an obsession.
Yeah the exact facts never seem to be the crux of the situation, just the overall vibe of “china bad”. You can debunk 100 things and people will find 1000 other allegations that they believe.
I never said that. I doubt it’s for nefarious purposes. Case in point, I believe that the plaque at the kashgar id kah mosque got removed, but not because it a danger for the chinese state but rather for renovation purposes. I believe that the gatehouse that was built in 1997 was demolished, I don’t believe that the entire mosque was. I think these embellished half-truths are really insidious and need to be fact-checked. Are the alterations for nefarious purposes or simply restorations from a building boom in the 1980s and 1990s that was notorious for cheapening out on materials? I believe I read that tidbit somewhere in those western-aligned sources you love to the exclusion of all else, but don’t care to go back and check.
Really? Because a lot of the mosques and sites that are under renovation now were built after 1980 I believe, for the reason above.
oh I thought I had linked that, my bad. I usually do that when giving verbatim citations. Well that’s what I came up with when I tried to look up the fate of the kashgar id kah mosque’s plaque. I really dislike your “kill the messenger approach” here as you would say. It’s possible that they are telling the truth even though you think they are untrustworthy wouldn’t you agree?
Yeah it just seems like a certain government has a penchant for frivolous genocide allegations tbh.
You know, it’s kinda cute to see what I looked like not even 3 years ago. Which is why I have unduly spent so much time on you I think, you talk and do things exactly as I would’ve so I can’t really be mad at you. I don’t know if you really are this stupid or why you keep mischaracterizing what I say, or make weird assumptions about my motivations, but your undue arrogance sure doesn’t paint a very favorable light. Probably a lot of stuff in your personal life rests on this type of propaganda, you mentioned you worked with Amnesty International before so it’s probably harder for you to take a step back and consider that all of this might just be propaganda. Try talking more in terms of falsifiable claims that you personally believe and argue them. Not general claims like “thousands of mosques are getting destroyed!!11” but this specific thing has occured and here’s the proof.
Lastly it just seems like a really weird thing for the chinese government to do? Like what’s the logic here
Also https://redsails.org/china-has-billionaires/
Your not familiar with China’s cultural revolution and subsequent cultural erasure. Without this context your essentially unable to see the bigger picture.
I am sorry, but I will trust individuals stories and human rights organization like Amnesty International over Chinese propaganda. I find it strange you deny all these personal stories, but to each his own.
Since it is clear you are not scholarly when it comes to history I suppose I will just have to accept that you are missing too much context to understand that there is plenty of legitimate criticism without having to be funded by the CIA.
No nation in existence deserves humanity at this point. Perhaps someday there will be a government that does.