In May, the House Energy and Commerce Committee voted 48-1 in favor of the Sunshine Protection Act. The U.S. Senate voted unanimously in March 2022 to make daylight saving time permanent but the House never took up the measure in the face of opposition. The proposal the House will consider next week would allow states to opt out.
Good!
Why not standard time?
Because I want it to be light out later in the day
It’s, like, THE STANDARD
Yeah, no clue why everyone’s going DST instead. I think having politicians make science decisions is a really dumb idea.
Science?
DST has always been a political decision.
Because light in the evening is better than light at night.
SHUT THE FUCK UP! OKAY? They vote on this every fucking year and it dies in the Senate. Big Clock is going to lobby this shit until I die. Just shut up. Stop talking about it. Daylight Savings will be in the USA for at least another hundred years.
It passed in the Senate. It died in the house.
^^^^ Legitimately one of the funniest things I’ve read in a long time.
Is it though?
I didn’t even say anything!
Dude, what did he say?! Shut up!
It’s actually been gaining steam over the past 5-ish years. If it dies in the end, it’s because people can’t agree which time should be permanent.
People in America can’t even agree on voting for a pedo or not. What makes you think they could agree on a timezone?
You know, waking up outside of your circadian rhythm can really fuck with you. So, I propose daylight fairness time. Instead of splitting up timezones by hours, we should split timezones by one (1) minute increments. This allows people to most effectively decide their living location to match their own personal circadian rhythm!
this is basically how time worked before we invented railroads
How about we don’t do that, and instead ensure that workers can chose their starting hours so they match their rhythm?
Standard Time should be the default. And sadly, we don’t even have that. Even our Standard Time has been mucked with. This website is a good source (not mine by the way). https://savestandardtime.com/ Let businesses change their hours instead of making people change clocks.
Let businesses change their hours instead of making people change clocks.
Most businesses in the USA can change their hours , but the hours that make sense for them depend on schedules they don’t control.
False.
This would be about the only good thing Republicans have done ever if they pass this. Hope they don’t let states opt out. When I lived up north by Canada, the logic was “you don’t want kids having to walk to/from school when it’s dark!!” Okay, so… wow, did you know they could change school hours.
When I lived up north by Canada, the logic was “you don’t want kids having to walk to/from school when it’s dark!!” Okay, so… wow, did you know they could change school hours.
The same argument works the other way. Keep noon as the point where the sun is highest. Then change the times of things for appropriate daylight. Daylight savings is just people agreeing to get up an hour earlier. Instead of “9 to 5”, everyone agrees to work 8 to 4. Which coincidentally puts solar noon perfectly in the middle of the work day. Isn’t that a surprise!
Well, we’re also in the 21st century and this jump an hour twice a year shit makes no sense. We could make timekeeping worldwide way more insane by having it adjust “imperceptibly” over time to auto adjust times worldwide based on true solar noon at each individual clock location using GPS. So all clocks would now have GPS as well to be able to ping their location to get the appropriate time. This… would be insane. We’d have seconds that are longer than a second. LET’S DO IT.
You wouldn’t necessarily have to have GPS in every clock. You could have all the clocks forming an “asynchronous mesh” network. They would all constantly ping each other on a standard frequency and estimate their location using triangulation. That, in combination with scanning for other things like phones, WiFi APs, BLE devices etc, could probably get you surprisingly accurate location data with a big enough network.
This is my vote. If we’re going to mess with the clocks, let’s REALLY mess with them. I guess not messing with them would also be okay, though.
That’s, uh, that’s how clocks had always worked before railways.
Wow I didn’t know they had worldwide internet, atomic clocks, and network time protocol servers before the railways…
I mean sure it’s how clocks worked before the railways if you entirely ignore the technology involved!
I get confused, but what I prefer based on living far north is for evenings to be longer. It seems wrong to me when winter approaches and the sun starts going down around 6-7, then bam, the time change happens and the sun starts going down at 5. It’s the exact opposite of what I’d prefer. I guess people active in the early morning like it. Ultimately I just think it’s dumb to change the clocks. We should just pick one or the other.
Everyone agrees to stop changing. The only contention is how. Stay on DST, or stay on Standard Time. Lots of people say like you, “More daylight in the evening please!” But they don’t realise all DST does is trick people into getting up early by lying to them, and breaking noon from the sun. Staying on standard time keeps the time sun connection. Then the “standard work day” can be changed to the more appropriate 8 to 4. You get the same effect as DST without lies, tricks, and changing solar noon. It’s cleaner than permanent DST.
We live in time zones. “Standard” time is just as much a fiction as DST. I’ve never lived somewhere where the sun is directly overhead at noon. I suppose such places must exist; some of them might even be on standard time when it does. In my area, it’s closer to directly overhead during DST.
It used to be that towns would set their clocks so solar noon was noon. When time zones are invented they picked one place and that was the standard. I remember reading somewhere once that mountain time was defined as solar union at Denver Union Station because the most important function of time zones is railroad scheduling at the time when the first American time zones were defined
Isn’t people shifting their schedule by an hour and then back the entire reason the time change sucks? Who cares about “sun-noon connection” or the clocks “lying” to them?
It is. There’s no reason 8 to 4 would ever need to change. Keep it year-round
Well let’s consider that misunderstanding corrected then. Thanks.
People have a weird fixation on the inherent meaning of certain times of day. Like 9:00 a.m. is ontologically when work begins. It’s strange.
You guys start work at 9?!
Holy shit I’d love to not be up at 5am every morning
I wish that were still so. I’m fixated on 9am being the time work used to begin.
Also school: let’s start activities at 6 AM in winter. And not finish until 10PM. No the bus only runs for school hours why do you ask?
change the school hours for the shifting daylight hours, you’d also have to change parents’ work schedules… or provide some child care benefits, maybe. and we know how that would go over with this congress and administration.
I hope the Dems read all the small print, like, “Daylight Savings is now permanent…and brown people have no rights…”
I don’t know, we tried it in the 70s and people hated it enough to switch back pretty quickly. Under permanent DST, sunrise in January would not be until after 8 AM, while under permanent standard time sunrise in June would be shortly after 4 AM.
i remember that. it was my first year in school and i still remember going to school “at night”. i was not a fan. yes, school was only across the street, but i did not like the dark–at all. mom had to walk me to school instead of just watching from the back steps like she usually did back then.
i am firmly on team standard time; and i’d rather keep changing (and preferably with the old time change dates and shorter dst) than be an hour ahead all year long.
I work from 7am to 5 pm. During the summer I need that extra hour of light to go fishing otherwise it’s not worth the drive. If I can fish for 3 hours after work it’s well worth it
As I always say, “A broken clock is right twice a day.”
This saying bothers me, this assumes the clock is not running, a working clock could not be running, but a broken clock could just lose a minute a day, and it would never be right but a few times a year.
laughs in gettier.
Or it could be a broken digital clock and then it’s not right at all.
I always heard the saying as, “A stopped clock is right twice a day.”
I’ve never heard it said that way, all the people I have heard say this saying have always used the broken term and it always bothered me.
“Broken clock” is probably like “Play it again, Sam” or “Luke, I am your father.” Phrases you think were said but never actually are.
I have also heard it as a stopped clock.
This would expand that to four hours a day.
School hours are engineered to make sure parents can drop their kids off at the state-funded daycare (which is what most parents consider school) and get to work on time…
And the reason the high-school kids get out first is so they can take care of younger siblings after school, which is a shitty way for teenagers to spend afternoons. (I was lucky, youngest of six.)
We’ve been ready to get rid of the switch for ages in Ontario and Quebec but because of international business we’re stuck waiting for New York to also get rid of it
*modern day republicans
The OGs were cool back when the Republican Party was the progressive party that wanted to abolish slavery, give women the right to vote, etc.
Then they did pulled the uno reverse card about 90 years ago, and the GOP started becoming America’s Conservative Party.
Sure, but that is such a long time ago. The relevant thing is liberals vs. conservatives. In the 1850s Republicans were the liberal party. It’s funny how now they try to claim credit for Lincoln and it’s uh okay, so who is it that displays confederate flags now? Democrats?
I believe that if this passes, Ontario immediately switches as well, since they passed intrepid leading-edge legislation to change if everyone else changes.
Arizona doesn’t use DST at all
Should split the difference and go with a permanent 30 minute offset just to screw with everybody.
We wouldn’t be the only ones. Several countries, territories and islands have half hour offsets from their neighbors. A few even have ±15 minute offsets.
Every three months, to capture granularity.
Of the two options they could have standardized on they picked the worst one. This literally defeats the point of noon
That is admittedly the best argument in favor of standard I’ve heard.
Boo, the permanent time should be standard time, it’s standard for a good reason.
Standard time blows unless your work hours are something absurd like 5am to 1pm.
A 9 to 5 is still a 9 to 5 no matter which way you shift the clock
We should all just use UTC. To be honest. It’s not like noon has to be at 12’oclock everywhere.
Feel free. There’s nothing stopping you.
The reason it’s not feasible is because most human activity happens during the daylight hours. As such, having the unit of a “day” cover what’s typically a day makes things easier.
For example, banks , businesses and schools need to have a unified schedule across a jurisdiction. If the jurisdiction specifies a utc offset that defines the official business day you just have a less coordinated timezone system.
You also make knowing roughly what part of the waking cycle other parts of the world are in much harder. Right now it’s 0100 in utc-5. So it’s 0800 in utc+2, and people are eating breakfast, at work, getting kids to school and so on. If I want to know that without timezones I need to know where they are on the planet and what the relevant legal jurisdiction has mandated as coordinated business time. That’s effectively just a worse version of timezones.The human conception of time is intrinsically linked to spatial location. Fighting that is just making it hard for no reason. What we need to do is stop fiddling with the time. No more (major) clock adjustments. Daylight savings only sucks because of the switch , so we should just pick one and stay.
I keep hearing this and can’t believe people are serious with this suggestion. In my mind it’s the most ridiculous solution to time tracking.
It would save me some trouble at work for sure. We have to match timezones and calculate utc from local timestamps for millions of transactions a day from across the country. If local time and timezone was just utc, that saves me the extra steps.
Though days suddenly get really messed up. It would be “tomorrow” in the east coast before it is even dark in the summer. And, worse, it would be “tomorrow” in Hawaii a bit after lunch. In a practical sense that just seems confusing and annoying, so maybe it’s not the most practical outside of datetime data.
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Was going to say. They already passed this, and then the Senate dragged it’s feet
This originally gained steam in the senate maybe 6 years ago? Shocked it is still kicking
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“Allow states to opt out?” Isn’t this already something under their control? How is this a federally mandated thing? I mean Arizona already doesn’t do it.
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if its a federal decision just make the change apply everywhere. No one wants every state doing this differently. Think of the poor programmers.
On your first question: the current law is that DST is optional, but if a state opts out, they have to be on standard time. The new bill allows them to stay on DST permanently and removes the ability for states to opt-out unless they are already on year-round standard time. So, if this passes, every state in the union will be on either standard time or DST, depending on their status before, with no option to either go back to standard time nor to go back to changing twice a year.
The answer is simple.
The government shouldn’t be telling us what time it is. We should leave that to the private sector. And you should be required to pay for a subscription to know what time it is.
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Dude… time zones can go fuck themselves. I’m a QA and every quarter we deal with some random ass bug that rolls back to time zone issues.
I need a website like isitdns.com except isittimezone.fu
The only two things programmers hate more than time zones are DNS and SSL
Great point. From a quick websearch it looks like every state is allowed to exempt itself. The few states that opted out did so right near the creation of the daylight saving time law.
I think maybe it comes down to inertia and staying in the herd. No state wants to be the first one to stick their neck out and make a change from the rest of the country all still doing the status quo.
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Standard time is better for health, and much less stupid to have the clock synced to the day cycle
I assume you don’t live somewhere where it gets dark at 3pm in winter. The morning will be dark regardless, let me have that little bit of sun coming home from work
Agreed. After living most of my life in the PNW, having summer twilight as late as 10 PM was terrible.
Whaa? That sounds glorious.
Not American but living at the same latitude in Canada, the 10pm sunsets makes up for the endless dark that is winter. When spring comes, I take any sunlight that I can get
That must have been very N; sunset is around 9:20 on the summer solstice in Seattle.
Seattle. Twilight follows sunset for a time.
That’s why I shut up before I even read the post.