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they need to make money, i don’t feel it wrong to try to milk every possible angle
Your mother’s corpse had teeth, right?
Some teeth have fillings… some fillings are made of valuable metals.
The Disney corporation should exhume the corpse of your loved ones and sell their teeth on eBay - they need to make money… right?
It’s the only way to be sure every POSSIBLE angle has been milked.
You’re comparing a non-consensual crime to a voluntary consumer product. Unlawfully exhuming a corpse leaves the victim and family with zero say in the matter.
A video game gives you complete choice, if a developer milks a game with ads, you can choose to uninstall it and give them zero dollars. Try making an analogy that actually deals with voluntary choice, because grave robbery isn’t it.
Why not use a realistic analogy? Like how some car companies tried charging monthly subscriptions to activate built-in features like heated seats or remote start. BMW eventually killed that feature specifically because subscription sales were so extremely low. That’s a real example of consumer choice driving corporate decisions, not grave robbery.
Laws (and crimes) and consumer behaviors are governed by popular concensus of what we, the body politic, are willing to tolerate - neither are absolutes, and both are subject to change.
A realistic analogy would make my point less clearly than an exaggerated cartoon.
If the consumer market, or the corporations that govern it, decide that grave robbery is to be tolerated as a for-profit adventure…
well, we’ve very few tools with with to oppose them.
(See also: the collapse of the biosphere)
Fortunately, in America at least, It’s likely your loved ones lacked the medical insurance necessary to cover the cost of dental fillings.
You’re right that social norms shift, but fundamental legal protections don’t evaporate overnight, especially in democratic nations with institutional checks. Suggesting that society will casually normalize grave robbery for profit within our lifetimes isn’t realistic.
Admitting that your argument relies on an “exaggerated cartoon” proves that your logic breaks down under realistic conditions. Video game ads are a voluntary consumer choice, but grave robbery is a non-consensual crime.
If you want a realistic corporate greed analogy, look at a company intentionally polluting the air and then selling clean air filters to profit off the damage. At least that deals with actual market behavior instead of shock-value crime scenarios.
I might agree that it’s not morally wrong for them to add advertisements to milk more money out of people, but it’s definitely artistically wrong in that they are hugely compromising the thing they are making just for extra money.
And one might further argue that it’s morally wrong in that adding the advertisements is going to make the world a more frustrating, enshittified, dumbed-down place, just by a little bit.
Maybe a more apt comparison than “what if a Nazi killed you” or “what if somebody stole your mother’s teeth” would be what if you owned a food company and filled your food with sticks and rocks to save money. People would not be obligated to buy it, but it’s definitely wrong and doesn’t do anybody any good.
Didn’t you just prove my point? If nobody buys food because I put rocks and sticks in it, I go out of business. That’s exactly how consumer choice forces bad ideas to fail
I agree that people should stop buying it. But people are stupid and also manipulated by advertising, brand loyalty, and irrationality
I think they were trying to make an argument regarding ethics and morality and didn’t do the best job by throwing in a strawman argument. That being said, television networks literally do it every day. That they’re doing it is arguably unethical, but if you’re expecting ethics and morality from a megacorp, especially Micro$oft, you’re a fool.
Everything else you said stands. Don’t use the product. Don’t give the company your money. Nobody’s forcing you to consume the media. If you do, don’t complain, you’re the fool who bought a game with ads.
Is it hard to type, or to see the screen, with all those corporate dicks in your mouth?
Many are tired of being milked at every possible angle.
That’s the problem. The milking.
but its their job, they will stop doing it if everyone stop playing the game
u can’t blame them for doing their job, when people still playing the game
“Just doing my job”
-Some random Nazi soldier
why people keep making stupid comparison? why? just an effort to make my stand is morally wrong?
those people that got kill by the nazi have no choice, they cant simply refuse to get kill or got drag to the camp
do the game developer forces you to play their game? its your choice whether to play it or not
I was not weighing in on whether or not adding advertisements is a bad thing. I was pointing out how flawed your logic is. “Just doing their job” is not a good defense for the job being done.
What do you mean? You were the one who brought morality into this by comparing game developers to Nazi soldiers.
You claim that ‘just doing their job’ isn’t a valid defense, but how else am I supposed to look at it? It is literally their job to find new ways to monetize a product. If a company pushes a bad strategy, consumers can just stop playing and paying, like when BMW tried subscription heated seats and failed because of low sales. Blaming employees for doing what they are hired to do, while people keep playing the game, makes no sense. Trying new ways to make money isn’t a moral crime; it’s just business.
Because you’re going to great lengths to defend a form of enshitification.
It sounds like you don’t know what you’re talking about. Bad thing is bad thing is bad. Period.
But what actually makes it bad? Is making a game and wanting to get a financial benefit out of it inherently wrong?
Why doesn’t that same logic apply to celebrities doing brand endorsements, shoving products down our throats that they probably don’t even use just because they are famous? And don’t forget product placement in movies.
Also, developing a modern video game can cost hundreds of millions of dollars, and if it flops, it’s just a dead loss. Unlike movies, which can recoup losses through streaming deals or cable rights, a bad video game usually means nobody plays it and the studio loses everything. That is a massive financial risk.
Where do you draw the line?
People like you are the reason everything is getting worse all the time. Keep your worthless opinions to yourself.
Why? Because I accept that businesses exist to make money, not out of the goodness of their hearts?
If you think a system or game is predatory, the solution is simple: stop supporting it. If enough people actually vote with their wallets, companies are forced to change because it hurts their bottom line. Throwing tantrums online doesn’t change basic economic incentives, consumer behavior does
Yes, there’s no reason you need to carry water for them. These dipshits shouldn’t be able to find a single comment online supporting their behavior. They should feel shitty and worthless about what they’re doing every second of their miserable existence. Companies can make plenty of money without enshittifying every single aspect of our lives.
Sure, and I have a lower threshold for it than most but these companies will keep tightening the screws forever because there will always be new people coming in where the current level of bullshit is normal and they can push those people even further. My resistance to it alone accomplishes nothing.
Your point about normalization and the domino effect actually makes sense, and i agree with you on this
My main reason for leaning so heavily against that original post was that they were telling people to off themselves just for wanting to make money. Corporate monetization might be annoying, but suggesting suicide over it is way out of line.
Oh, I just realized you’re the original commenter XD
Why didn’t you lead with a reasonable argument in the first place, rather than suggesting self-harm or dismissing other points of view? I actually agree with you on the domino effect, even though it doesn’t really change my core view that businesses naturally try to milk it
Because I want them to kill themselves.
Maybe you should apply your advice to yourself on this one.
“If you hate the US you should move”-ass take.
i think its more like “if you hate the hotel service you should move”