• agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works
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    16 hours ago

    I guess if you’re one of the privileged managerial class in a major city, that’s true.

    If that’s you, you’re one of the least affected, not most.

    Or are we pretending that ICE appeared from a misty portal on the morning of 1/20/25?

    No, but their current actions did, at least at this scale.

    That Harris wasn’t beating the war drums with Iran and campaigning to Trump’s right on immigration?

    When did that happen?

    if you’re judging Democrats by their rhetoric instead of by their record, then you’re not a serious adult worth having this conversation with.

    I don’t care about their rhetoric, but if you can’t see the difference between their record and the Republicans, you’re not a serious adult worth having this conversation with. Both sides are obviously bad, but equally obviously not equally bad.

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      If that’s you, you’re one of the least affected, not most.

      The people who couldn’t afford life under Biden aren’t doing any better or worse really under Trump. It’s the people who could happily ignore the crushing poverty that Neoliberal Austerity was inflicting on an ever growing portion of the population who are now suddenly experiencing the shock of the tactics of control developed in the colonies being used in the Imperial Core. Everyone who lectured BLM about how terrible it was to say “Defund the Police” suddenly is in the cross hairs and desperate to defund (the one group that threatens them from) the police.

      No, but their current actions did, at least at this scale.

      No. The only thing new is that the same billionaire owned media that never made a peep about it is suddenly putting it in your face. Trunp is so desperate to get the number of daily ICE deportations up because he’s not on pace to even match Obama’s numbers and it’s really pissing him off

      When did that happen

      Throughout the entire 2024 campaign. Representative examples below.

      https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2024/10/8/kamala-harris-says-iran-is-greatest-adversary-of-us

      https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/kamala-harris-calls-iran-destabilizing-force-middle-east-2024-10-01/

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/world/harris-iran-is-greatest-us-adversary/2024/10/23/9a9de8c6-d066-44d3-b95c-ddbf5c13737b_video.html

      don’t care about their rhetoric, but if you can’t see the difference between their record and the Republicans, you’re not a serious adult worth having this conversation with

      Strike the word “can’t” and the sentence above becomes accurate. Both parties love war, hate working people, and use minorities as political footballs to keep the peasants from revolting. You just have a preference for which flavor of capitalist puppet you like to see on TV. And that’s fine but don’t go moralizing about your preference if you’re not willing to actually get into the weeds on their records. And the Democrats’ records are just as horrible as the GOPs, if you don’t consider “saying the slurs on TV instead of keeping them in the back rooms like Kennedy intended” to be a worse failing than Strike Busting, austerity policy, and massive giveaway from the public treasury to private interests.

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        The only thing new is that the same billionaire owned media that never made a peep about it is suddenly putting it in your face

        No, these tactics are new, some of the camps are literally new.

        Throughout the entire 2024 campaign.

        There’s a stark difference between “Iran is an adversary” and “Bomb Iran”.

        Strike the word “can’t” and the sentence above becomes accurate.

        Again, wrong. Yes they’re both bad, yes they both engage in some of the same terrible things, but there are still differences. Until we have the organization to replace one of the two, we have to focus on those differences. Once we actually have the numbers and organization to do something different, I’m all for it. Until then, bOtH SiDeS is an outrageously privileged cope.

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          No, these tactics are new, some of the camps are literally new.

          These tactics aren’t remotely new. It’s the same tactics that have been used on communities of color, left wing agitatorsz and queers who wouldn’t stay safely closeted for 100 years.

          Only “some” of the camps are new. Hmmm… Now why would thete be old ones if Trump is a new and unique kind of villain?

          There’s a stark difference between “Iran is an adversary” and “Bomb Iran”.

          Yeah. It’s the difference between being a candidate and being the President.

          Or are you genuinely saying that you think Dems don’t start wars just as quickly and easily as Republicans?

          Until we have the organization to replace one of the two, we have to focus on those differences.

          That’s exactly backwards. As long as they can convince you there’s any substance to those differences without actually having to do anything that will piss off their Wall St paymasters, you will never be able to organize to replace either of the two.

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            These tactics aren’t remotely new. It’s the same tactics that have been used on communities of color, left wing agitatorsz and queers who wouldn’t stay safely closeted for 100 years.

            And now they’ve been ramped up. Great for you that it doesn’t affect you personally, but I don’t really care about you. I care about the people affected.

            Only “some” of the camps are new. Hmmm… Now why would thete be old ones if Trump is a new and unique kind of villain?

            Compare and contrast the new with the old.

            Yeah. It’s the difference between being a candidate and being the President

            Except one of the candidates did campaign on bombing Iran. So no.

            Or are you genuinely saying that you think Dems don’t start wars just as quickly and easily as Republicans?

            As quickly, easily, and frequently? Definitely not.

            As long as they can convince you there’s any substance to those differences without actually having to do anything that will piss off their Wall St paymasters, you will never be able to organize to replace either of the two.

            Very false. The only substance to those differences is slowing the bleeding, but that is something. They’re never going to change, they have to be replaced, but that takes time. Time I would rather spend under the lesser evil than the greater one, especially when the greater evil imprisons organizers.