• agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works
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    13 hours ago

    The only thing new is that the same billionaire owned media that never made a peep about it is suddenly putting it in your face

    No, these tactics are new, some of the camps are literally new.

    Throughout the entire 2024 campaign.

    There’s a stark difference between “Iran is an adversary” and “Bomb Iran”.

    Strike the word “can’t” and the sentence above becomes accurate.

    Again, wrong. Yes they’re both bad, yes they both engage in some of the same terrible things, but there are still differences. Until we have the organization to replace one of the two, we have to focus on those differences. Once we actually have the numbers and organization to do something different, I’m all for it. Until then, bOtH SiDeS is an outrageously privileged cope.

    • DudleyMason@lemmy.ml
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      12 hours ago

      No, these tactics are new, some of the camps are literally new.

      These tactics aren’t remotely new. It’s the same tactics that have been used on communities of color, left wing agitatorsz and queers who wouldn’t stay safely closeted for 100 years.

      Only “some” of the camps are new. Hmmm… Now why would thete be old ones if Trump is a new and unique kind of villain?

      There’s a stark difference between “Iran is an adversary” and “Bomb Iran”.

      Yeah. It’s the difference between being a candidate and being the President.

      Or are you genuinely saying that you think Dems don’t start wars just as quickly and easily as Republicans?

      Until we have the organization to replace one of the two, we have to focus on those differences.

      That’s exactly backwards. As long as they can convince you there’s any substance to those differences without actually having to do anything that will piss off their Wall St paymasters, you will never be able to organize to replace either of the two.

      • agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works
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        11 hours ago

        These tactics aren’t remotely new. It’s the same tactics that have been used on communities of color, left wing agitatorsz and queers who wouldn’t stay safely closeted for 100 years.

        And now they’ve been ramped up. Great for you that it doesn’t affect you personally, but I don’t really care about you. I care about the people affected.

        Only “some” of the camps are new. Hmmm… Now why would thete be old ones if Trump is a new and unique kind of villain?

        Compare and contrast the new with the old.

        Yeah. It’s the difference between being a candidate and being the President

        Except one of the candidates did campaign on bombing Iran. So no.

        Or are you genuinely saying that you think Dems don’t start wars just as quickly and easily as Republicans?

        As quickly, easily, and frequently? Definitely not.

        As long as they can convince you there’s any substance to those differences without actually having to do anything that will piss off their Wall St paymasters, you will never be able to organize to replace either of the two.

        Very false. The only substance to those differences is slowing the bleeding, but that is something. They’re never going to change, they have to be replaced, but that takes time. Time I would rather spend under the lesser evil than the greater one, especially when the greater evil imprisons organizers.