• BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.mlBanned from community
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    1
    ·
    11 hours ago

    When it comes to voting, yes.

    Actually no. Especially not if one were to actually ascribe to your line of thinking. The point of voting for democrats is to slowly move US electoral politics to the left.
    It has been shown, time and again, that the democratic party only moves further right, no matter if they win or lose.
    If one believes in electorialism as a vector of promoting leftist politics in the us through slow, incremental, change, then it is clear that one ought to vote for a leftist third party. This would of course not have immediate results, but that is, by your line of reasoning, not something that is achievable anyway. What is achievable, through your reasoning is a long term change. Long term change would most effectively be done by creating a viable third party. The only way to do so is to vote for a third party.
    If you are arguing that the issues are more urgent and not something that can be dealt with over a longer period, then we must also dismiss the argument that the democrats are in any way a viable party, since the argument of voting for them likewise rests on this idea of long term electoral change.

    Oh, you think by voting that means you cannot do anything else?

    Not at all, but that seems to be what you think, since your immediate reaction to being told that voting for democrats is, at best, pointless, is to say “oh, so we should just do nothing?”

      • BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.mlBanned from community
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        11 hours ago

        There’s actually a lot. PSL would be my recommendation. Or you can just create your own. Or do a bunch of other stuff. Voting is not the only tool available to you.

        • Talcosis@lemmy.zip
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          2
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          11 hours ago

          How about one which isn’t run by the GOP and accomplishes more than peeling off enough votes to let them win?

          Like the DSA. Oh, wait, we’re not supposed to vote for democrats.

          • BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.mlBanned from community
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            edit-2
            10 hours ago

            Sure, vote for the DSA. Make sure to do more than vote though, as I have made abundantly clear. Go beyond electorialism.

            How about one which isn’t run by the GOP and accomplishes more than peeling off enough votes to let them win?

            The whole argument of voting for democrats, despite them having the same policies as republicans, is the argument that long term change can be affected.
            If you buy that you must accept republican policy in order to slowly affect change, which you do by voting democrat, then the logical conclusion is that one must make that trade in the most effective manner. Which would be by voting third party.