Yes, you are right, the alternative to not voting for a genocidal fascist is immediate revolution. Good little lib.

Yeah like they did with Libya, Syria, Iraq and Russia. Like they did when they sent Pelosi to Taiwan and like they did when they whipped up a frenzy about a Chinese “spy balloon” they then themselves admitted was just meteorological equipment.

Which is great if you’re not one of the victims of the barbarism I guess. Personally, I don’t have the stomach to sacrifice others for political gain.

They said as they bemoaned people not being willing to vote for a genocidal fascist (who probably wouldn’t increase the price of gas as much).
Seems like you’re very comfortable with sacrificing others for political nothing though.

But, y’know, if the imperialism and genocide is invariant between the options, I’m still gonna vote for the one doing fewer other terrible things 🤷🏼

What’s the worst that could happen if I let the democrats know that not even genocide will cost them the election? What’s the worst that could happen by further entrenching the oligarchic uniparty? Surely the democrats won’t ever put me in the camps!

Obviously I’m also going to do everything I can to get to a point where I don’t have an imperialist, genocidal government. Mutual aid, canvassing for leftists in the primaries, political organization, developing community, taking over small municipalities, labor organization, etc.

No critique here, glad to see at least one blue dog understands there’s other tools.

All of which is gonna be a lot harder now that this side has declared antifascists to be a terrorist organization, and arrests people for pamphlets.

As opposed to the other side who also arrested peaceful protesters on bogus charges. Who also beat up protesters. Who also broke up strikes. Who also hounded leftist organisers.
The difference is that the media is more critical of it now. People are much more agitated under Trump. Organizing is easier in many ways.

Sure, vote for the DSA. Make sure to do more than vote though, as I have made abundantly clear. Go beyond electorialism.

How about one which isn’t run by the GOP and accomplishes more than peeling off enough votes to let them win?

The whole argument of voting for democrats, despite them having the same policies as republicans, is the argument that long term change can be affected.
If you buy that you must accept republican policy in order to slowly affect change, which you do by voting democrat, then the logical conclusion is that one must make that trade in the most effective manner. Which would be by voting third party.

Trump is a symptom of systemic issues. As can be seen by 2020-2024 voting for the democrats does nothing to adress any systemic issues, only further marginalises the left, while allowing right-wing reactionaries to surge, giving them even more power and thus ensuring that they are further entrenched come next election, where they will be even more reactionary.
On top of that, the democrats run on the same platform as Trump, which means they are the same, so a vote for one might as well be a vote for the other.
Furthermore democrats have shown they will do absolutely nothing to oppose Trump, even trying to work with him and his party. It is quite clear a vote for the democrats is a vote that supports Trump. A vote for the republicans is just a vote that slightly more supports Trump.

I don’t mean to be insulting, this is a genuine question: are you stupid?

Ugh, go back to reddit with these tired clichés. You mean to be insulting, and saying you don’t does not make it less so. If you actually didnt mean to be insulting, then you would have phrased the question differently.

nuance

Coming from the person who dismissed people based on nothing. Alright. Tell me more about your nuance the next time you get scared you might have a novel thought so you retreat to a childish ad hominem.

Funny, my litmus test starts at “do they support a genocide?” and then move on to things like “do they want to expand the militaristic police surveillance state?” and “are they running on being tough on immigrants?” and “do they do violent crackdowns on peaceful protesters?” and “do they protect womens rights?” and “do they protect queer people?” and “do they throw minorities and marginalised groups under the bus in order to appease right wing fanatics?” and “are they warmongers?”

Funny how that is. Funny how some of us only seem to care about whether or not their team is winning, while others care about what the teams are doing. Very funny.

There’s actually a lot. PSL would be my recommendation. Or you can just create your own. Or do a bunch of other stuff. Voting is not the only tool available to you.

You really struggle with reading comprehension, don’t you?
I think we should oppose fascism. Voting for democrats does not do anything to oppose fascism or Trump.
For some reason you types keep saying “Oh so dont vote for the democrats? So I should just do nothing then?” which is odd, its as if you think the only thing to do is vote for the democrats and that’s it. Very defeatist. Very pathetic.

When it comes to voting, yes.

Actually no. Especially not if one were to actually ascribe to your line of thinking. The point of voting for democrats is to slowly move US electoral politics to the left.
It has been shown, time and again, that the democratic party only moves further right, no matter if they win or lose.
If one believes in electorialism as a vector of promoting leftist politics in the us through slow, incremental, change, then it is clear that one ought to vote for a leftist third party. This would of course not have immediate results, but that is, by your line of reasoning, not something that is achievable anyway. What is achievable, through your reasoning is a long term change. Long term change would most effectively be done by creating a viable third party. The only way to do so is to vote for a third party.
If you are arguing that the issues are more urgent and not something that can be dealt with over a longer period, then we must also dismiss the argument that the democrats are in any way a viable party, since the argument of voting for them likewise rests on this idea of long term electoral change.

Oh, you think by voting that means you cannot do anything else?

Not at all, but that seems to be what you think, since your immediate reaction to being told that voting for democrats is, at best, pointless, is to say “oh, so we should just do nothing?”

You put in a lot of effort, its admirable. Ive blocked them. I can’t figure out if they’re a troll, regular lib who becomes obtuse as soon as their worldview is challenged, or just incredibly stupid.
You can hopefully soothe yourself with the knowledge that you’ve written something that can easily be used other times, thus sparing you for more work later.

It’s not infighting if (…)

You know, thats what we all say.

(…) if we have huge, unbridgeable ideological differences

The difference: I don’t expect revolutionary states to be perfect.

That’s not to say we can’t be temporary allies against a greater foe like fascism

Step one in the fight against fascism would probably be to stop voting for fascists. The democrats are also fascists.

Trolling is when people say something you disagree with.

I’m having a class on a subject I’ve previously finished, taught by a professor who does not teach well. So I am spending my time posting.

But sure, use some cliché to protect yourself from critical thinking.

The kids were in ICE cages under Obama as well. Obama was the one to vastly expand the budget, manpower, purview and responsibility of ICE. Biden deported more than Trump, Kamala ran on having a harsher immigration policy than Trump.
You don’t care about immigrants, they are an abstract in your mind, to be used as a cheap rhetorical tool.

“isn’t perfect”

What a snivelly little way to say “is committing a genocide”, not to mention the obvious that “don’t commit genocide” was the final red line crossed after fucking up on every other issue as well.

Right, and in the face of oppression you are choosing to vote for oppression, while silencing any talk of any other viable actions.

You are presenting a false dilemma where the only thing to be done is vote and the only one that can be voted for are the democrats or the republicans.
You are then further misrepresenting the situation as a choice between “an oppressor” and “not an oppressor” when the actual reality is that both the democrats and republicans are oppressive far-right oligarchic fascists.