Dieser Bereich kann Inhalte enthalten, die nicht für alle Nutzer geeignet sind. Dazu können unter anderem Texte, Medien oder Diskussionen gehören, die als beleidigend, extremistisch, gewaltbezogen oder anderweitig belastend empfunden werden. Wenn du solche Inhalte nicht sehen möchtest, nutze bitte die jeweiligen Filter- und Meldeoptionen der Plattform oder meide entsprechende Threads/Communities.
Where were they 12 years ago? And 4 years ago? Ah, yes, they wanted a quick adventure — 20 mins in and out. Welp… Fuck them.
Don’t you remember the repressions against anyone opposed to the war? Showing a blank piece of paper got you thrown into prison. What do you expect a normal person to do?
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/russia-demonstrator-blank-sign-protest_uk_622f1769e4b02961583dd743
Something like they did in 1917 I guess? The oppression wasn’t any lighter back then.
But I guess most russians have grown soft in the same way Putin has claimed happened to europeans. Always reflection with these guys.
Weak argument. A revolution is invisible until it happens. You are only happy if it will have happened. So therefore you currently dismiss anything that people do since it was not enough.
However, if you --such as so many other people-- have no interest in helping people there get the means to do something, of course if will be harder.
I’ve supported Ukraine significantly.
In their defence it’s a heavily controlled state where speaking out can literally land you in the gulag. Doesn’t mean things are peachy, and I’m sure a fair few people are just drinking the coolaid, but it’s something to consider.
When the war started, there where those in Russia that did protest the war. You could see them getting picked up and dragged away.
When USSR ended, Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus were in very similar situation, politically and economically. Belarus got Lukashenko from the very beginning, he immediately bought off police and squashed all dissent. Ukraine had a wannabe dictator Yanukovich, bur kicked him out.
Russia got a big window of opportunity between Yeltsin and Putin, they could totally do their own Maidan, plus storming Kremlin is a historical Russian tradition.
No one cared.
They got a taste of Europe and civilized world, the young people got tech jobs with lots of money. Instead of fixing their own government, they mostly emigrated, and now formed a diaspora instead of learning the language and blabbering about mysterious Russian soul and wanking on WW2 photos.
One of Putin’s fears is that Ukraine showed a clear scenario how to depose a dictator.
You know that somewhat famous story of the bridge being stolen?
Yeah, post Soviet Russia was a smash and grab dreamscape. If you could take it and keep it without getting shot, it became yours. A lot of oligarchs got started then. A lot more wannabes died in the process.
I don’t know that story, actually, but I am intrigued now
Couple dudes showed up with some trucks and some tools. Literally cut down a bridge, then sold it for scrap.
That kind of thing was happening everywhere in a less literal sense: as the government collapsed, government property was being rapidly taken control of by random people.
It’s like how the US government is being sold for scrap to rich people, but with a whole lot less control and a whole lot more violence.
Oh wow, those guys literally had a bridge to sell then.
A taste of civilized world? Russia is civilization now and has been for many thousands of years.
Not when you are forced to use dial-up internet when all your online friends had Ethernet or optic cable for years. That was the state of civilization between '90s and 2000.
Okay so by civilization we mean slightly more modern technology? That’s fine, I just got a bit ticked off because Europeans have a very long-lasting tradition to label everyone they don’t like as backwards savages, and it came off that way to me.
I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of them are young and spent their teenage years fearing their inevitable turn in the meat-grinder. I also wouldn’t be surprised if those most on-board with the war already had their turn to fight and didn’t make it back home.
Though the page does say it was a “phone poll,” and if the youth in Russia are as averse to strange phone calls as many in the rest of the world, I’ll stand corrected.
Also, the ones making the decisions to fight these wars are not the ones fighting.
It would help if those who start a war are required to spend a portion of their time at the front lines. See how fast these boomers walk back their armies.
Not sure about that though. For a large portion of the (european) middle ages it was common and even expected from rulers to fight in battle. It’s not like that was an exceptionally peaceful time (nor was it exceptionally warlike though). Yet it should be mentioned that high ranking combatants like kings, knights and other nobles could expect to be captured and ransomed instead of being killed. But still, it was a risk and many a ruler were killed in battle.
Well, yeah, but those were different times altogether