A Google spokesperson said the judgement "fails to recognise" the firm's "significant investment to ensure Android remains open."
    • Default Username@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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      12 days ago

      Both of those are soft forks of Android, meaning they still exist at the whim of Google.

      The only real alternatives are Sailfish (proprietary userland, relies on Halium for its devices to run, which means the devices have a limited lifespan as they rely on a specific version of the Linux kernel that will eventually stop being supported), UBPorts, Droidian, etc. (also relies on Halium, but the userland is open sourcs), and mainline Linux distros like PostmarketOS (has one device that is fully functional, but is extremely slow, but device support is slowly improving over time).

      All of those alternatives also support an Android compatibility layer, presuming you don’t rely on device attestation DRM like Play Integrity.

      • eleitl@lemmy.zipEnglish
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        12 days ago

        If I can’t have hardware that supports open source Android forks, then it means that I won’t buy it. I can work around with dumbphones, MiFi routers with tethered Linux or BSD portables. I will not use a proprietary system outside of work, full stop.

        • Axolotl@feddit.itEnglish
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          12 days ago

          If i remember correctly, GNU is working on a Librephone, the progress is slow tho

          • teohhanhui@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            11 days ago

            the progress is slow tho

            Just about what we should expect from the same FSF that has been developing GNU Hurd for more than 30 years now?

            • Axolotl@feddit.itEnglish
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              11 days ago

              The FSF isn’t really putting much effort in Hurd because they already have the Linux kernel, Stallman also said that it’s not crucial to finish Hurd

              Btw, if they will even finish Hurd, i hope that they also add some standards to avoid the incredible mess that is the world of Linux distribution today, we have many packages formats that are not interoperable and other stuff

      • Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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        12 days ago

        What issues does iOS give you? I was a first-gen Android adopter and loved it, had the Dream (first Android phone that came out) right away, then had another Android phone after.

        When phones went away from physical keyboards, I tried my partner’s iPhone and typing on a screen was much better then on Android phones at the time, so I picked one up. Lasted five years, and during that time, I dropped all Google products and services.

        I haven’t run into any issues myself, and I find I can keep them for a long time without having to upgrade. I don’t tinker on my phone, though—I work on my full computers and other stuff, but I just want my phone to do internet things quickly, take sick pictures of cats, play music, and shitpost.

        • Zarobi@aussie.zoneEnglish
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          12 days ago

          It’s hard to explain, it’s more an emotional thing than a logical thing. Death by a thousand cuts kind of thing.

          • I don’t like Apple choking out in-app purchases like they tried to make it even on Safari if you use Amazon website they wanted 30% cut…
          • I don’t barely use any of the lock-in ecosystem like iCloud, I don’t trust “automatic backups”, I don’t understand or see the mechanism of.
          • I wish I could actually access the file system when plugging into my PC.
          • It doesn’t support Linux at all.
          • I can’t download my movies I purchased onto my devices for backup.
          • As an intermediate photographer, the camera really pisses me off.
          • They updated the default keyboard years ago so swipe to type is awful now and I had to install GBoard.
          • I don’t really trust Google either.
          • I wish I could install Firefox and add-ons but Firefox is just Safari with a trenchcoat.
          • I can’t sync things to my iPhone properly.
          • Apps don’t really work properly in the background, they keep going to sleep. Even just switching between 2 apps to copy paste by the time I come back it’s killed the first app to save memory or something. I have plenty of memory.
          • Web apps suuuuuck and keep logging me out and losing state.
          • I hate notifications and being “always online” and social media. It makes my head hurt and it’s so hard to curate your notifications. Like I want discord to tell me about messages but not about Nitro promotions at 9pm.

          I’m probably forgetting things too, but really it’s just a combination of factors. I feel like I’m paying a lot for things I don’t want or use. Honestly give me a phone with no apps apart from phone and messages, and just great Firefox web app support, and I’d probably be happy. My phone is an iPhone 13 so it’s getting a bit old, but I’m not sure yet what I actually want… Just thinking about it for now. Thinking about maybe something wildly different.

          • Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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            12 days ago

            A lot of those are extremely understandable. A lot of them are ubiquitous to all phones, however. Many of them are unique to you, which is precisely what I was curious about—thank you for taking the time to share! I don’t run into many of the same issues, but I’ll try to give my insight on them, whether you care or not ehehehe

            1. That’s totally way fair, but no cut is taken if you buy stuff through a browser. It’s ridiculous that if you support someone through the Patreon app, they take a cut. I don’t like that. But there is no cut through web browser, and better fuckin not ever be.
            2. I’ve been using iPhones since the… 5? And I have NEVER used iCloud for anything. I wouldn’t use Google’s online backup either, though. I don’t trust any of them, but I’d trust Apple more. Yet… still hell no. I use iTunes on my computer to make incremental encrypted backups, which it does very well. But I don’t want any of my sensitive stuff online anywhere. It stays on my own hard drives and servers.
            3. I also wish we could do that. I really would like to be able to use it as a standard device by plugging it into any of my computers.
            4. Fair, but I don’t want Linux on my iPhone personally. I want Linux on my Linux machines. Linux on any phone sucks ass right now. I’m psyched for it to be better, but for the stuff I personally want a phone to do, it would be a nightmare.
            5. I don’t know how to answer that one other than we have a separate set of morales, I haven’t purchased a movie since I got my first DVD player. Burners came out shortly after that and all of my movies and shows have been DRM free since.
            6. The camera takes some getting used to, but I’ve found it superior to any other phone camera. For photos, it’s kind of a wash between end Android and iPhones. For video, iPhones are leagues better. I don’t do video much, so that doesn’t super matter to me tho.
            7. i love the keyboard, but I haven’t used a google touchscreen keyboard since like 2009 or so. I’m sure they’ve improved since then hahaha. If I turn on Apple’s AI bullshit the keyboard and autocorrect become garbage, but with it disabled, it feels the same as it did to me when I used my first iPhone and I really like it. I do have to set all of the shortcuts to add special words I use to its dictionary every time I get a new phone. Maybe that changed? I’m not sure, but that’s a bit annoying… but only because I use words dumbly.
            8. I quit all google and Facebook products and services a decade ago so I gotta agree. Never used a Twitter or a TikTok.
            9. everything WebKit under the hood, I’m against. I’d love actual Firefox or forks. I am happy that there are now extensions like ublock origin, but full ass support for Firefox would be excellent.
            10. I’m not sure what kinds of things you sync, but I’ve had issues with this as well, with music. I have my music tagged very specifically because I’m various types of neuroatypical it’s good to have them like that and feels right. Songs are sorted fucking WACK if I don’t sync them a certain way, and that changed with one specific update—they used to work properly without me having to sync them a weird certain way. Nonmusic files work fine for me, though.
            11. That’s my one gripe with my last phone. I had an XS MAXXX and it started closing like everything in the background. To be fair, I had the phone for five years. That’s pretty insane for a phone that overall works great without modifications; I had to CFW my HTC Dream after like a year.
            12. I’ve only used a Lemmy web app and it never did that, but once Voyager was released, I stopped using any web apps so I can’t give any opinion on that—it would be very annoying to be logged out often!
            13. This is the only one I’m gonna hard refute—that’s not an apple thing. That’s every phone. I get zero notifications unless it’s important. Everything allows you to set it as you want. Google is way worse for this. The only notifications I get are E-mails (with many folders set not to notify), all texts, all calls, and very specific apps.

            It kinda sounds like you just hate smartphones which is TOTALLY fair—my good friend is looking to get a flip phone right now lawl. I can understand for a lot of fools including that friend, as they got caught up in the whole “dopamine app” shit like TikTok and Twitter and insta and whatever shit wants all of your time and attention and eww. I never touched that stuff; my phone has always been a little computer I use away from my big computer, and I only use it for texting, chatrooms, E-mail, media playing when needed, and taking photographs and videos.

            For tinkering and playing around and doing deep stuff, I go to my heaps of computers hahaha. Not saying this is anyone else’s experience, but it is why I dig iOS. Well, that and it’s my only choice for a high end phone as I haven’t touched Google for a decade or more and never will.

            Appreciate you taking the time to voice your feelings about this tho, lotta valid points.