Quick Introduction We have all been on forums, chats, reddit, discord, youtube, or somewhere and heard “Oh! Model XYZ is AMAZEBALLZ!zomgwtfbbq” then downloaded it (or more likely, some quantized form of it) and said “eww… This sucks!” This post is going to be a rather technical series of experiments to demonstrate the impact of implementation-specific hazards with inference. I will be using the term “reference implementation” to describe the lab that published and offers first-party hosting of ...
  • squaresinger@lemmy.worldEnglish
    510·
    4 days ago

    Sentience is roughly defined as “Line in the sand between humans and things we are allowed to eat”.

    It’s a concept created to justify treating animals differently than humans in a world where the old justification (“You can eat animals because God said so”) isn’t applicable anymore.

    Since the concept is defined backwards to justify preexisting actions, it doesn’t have any actually solid definition, and whether something’s sentient or not depends pretty much entirely on the opinion of the person deciding it.

      • h0tbeef@lemmy.zipEnglish
        35·
        4 days ago

        Would you also like a link to the English dictionary?

        Because it’s nowhere near correct

          • h0tbeef@lemmy.zipEnglish
            22·
            4 days ago

            Perhaps I should seek a sponsorship with all of the mentions this thread has necessitated. Unfortunately I’m not currently on the payroll (or formerly for that matter, lol).

            • SlimePirate@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
              52·
              4 days ago

              I don’t think you have the cognitive requirements to understand why your dictionary definitions are completely irrelevant here

              • squaresinger@lemmy.worldEnglish
                41·
                3 days ago

                I’m always astonished when there’s a discussion about a topic so deep that it’s been hotly debated by philosophers for centuries and someone drops in the dictionary definition thinking they solved the whole discourse with a one-liner from the dictionary.

              • h0tbeef@lemmy.zipEnglish
                13·
                3 days ago

                Words have meanings dog

                You can’t just say a label applies to something, despite the meaning of that label.

      • squaresinger@lemmy.worldEnglish
        21·
        3 days ago

        Congrats, you managed to find the dictionary, but didn’t even make it to the encyclopedia, let alone the acutal literature.

        And now, with just the barest of definition and no deeper knowledge on anything you think you are an expert.

        Here, please read at least the wikipedia entry to get a very basic understanding about what the adults in the room are talking about: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentience

        • h0tbeef@lemmy.zipEnglish
          22·
          3 days ago

          The first sentence of this Wikipedia article literally immediately disqualifies LLMs, lmao

          “Sentience is the ability to experience feelings”

          Every sentence that follows continues to disqualify LLMs

          If you continue down to the section on “digital sentience” you will find other sentences that directly contradict your assertions, such as ‘Indeed, leading AI textbooks do not mention “sentience” at all.‘

          It’s basically 100% agreed on that there are not currently any sentient computers, and there never has been. Do some people think that we might have them one day? Yes a very small number of the experts do, but they don’t know how to get there, and they aren’t close to being there now.

          The people calling their AI self aware and claiming that it took actions without their instructions (which is verifiably false) are lying to you for money.

          • squaresinger@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            13 hours ago

            If you continue down to the section on “digital sentience” you will find other sentences that directly contradict your assertions,

            So, then, what are my assertions?

            Please read my comments so far carefully. Do not hallucinate. Do not make assumptions that aren’t in my text. Do not make mistakes.

            Then find those supposed assertions of mine that Wikipedia seems to contradict.

            • h0tbeef@lemmy.zipEnglish
              1·
              4 hours ago

              Well your main assertion was a wildly incorrect definition of sentience.

              You go on to say that (and I’m paraphrasing) “sentience is in the eye of the beholder”, which is also wrong.

              There’s also the implication that you do think computers are sentient, but you haven’t typed that specifically; I know you said you didn’t want assumptions, but this is a fair inference. Someone who wasn’t emotionally invested I the idea of chatbot sentience wouldn’t push back so hard with basically 0 facts to back them up.

              Your final assertion is that the Wikipedia article doesn’t immediately contradict you, which again, it does in the first sentence. You can see my previous comment for that information tho, I’m not retyping it.