• skozzii@lemmy.ca
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    1 day ago

    I refuse to call social engineers hackers, conmen is more fitting.

    • Passerby6497@lemmy.world
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      18 hours ago

      You can refuse to call them hackers, everyone is entitled to be wrong about something.

      Kevin Mitnick was a prolific hacker who used social engineering regularly to infiltrate, and hackers still do today. Humans are a massive weak point in any org, that’s why we have to take quarterly training not to be a moron and let someone into our network through doing something stupid.

      • zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        11 hours ago

        Mitnick was also a hacker, but I never considered his social engineering feats as hacking themselves. They were definitely what let him accomplish his goals though and I consider those skills adjacent, just like lock picking. If you see someone picking a lock, I doubt your brain says “OMG a hacker!”.

    • Squirrelanna@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      24 hours ago

      Defcon would disagree. I’ve watched so many presenters talk about all forms of penetration testing, many of which used social engineering and lockpicking as a way to create exploitable vulnerabilities in networks. Whether or not you care to call them hackers… It doesn’t really matter, won’t stop them from hacking.

    • thallamabond@lemmy.world
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      1 day ago

      Hacking is making something work in an unconventional or unexpected way. Social engineers hack people in that way.

    • HieroProtagonist@lemmy.ml
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      1 day ago

      Real hackers social-engineered their way into high security systems decades before the first blue haired femboy nerd proudly announced “Btw i am usin Arch!”