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Who did you vote for in the 2020 Democratic primaries?
Bernie obviously. Why is that relevant?
Because you sound a lot like the kind of person who would vote for Joe Biden in the primaries.
Because you’re not paying attention to what I said, and substituting understanding with a ridiculous strawman where everyone who doesn’t agree with you is BlueMAGA.
Primaries are the appropriate time to vote your conscience. The general election is the time to try to secure the best outcome possible between the choices.
In regards to Palestine, there was not a choice to withdraw support for Israel. Vote Republican? Palestine is royally fucked. Vote Democrat? Palestine is also fucked, though potentially to a slightly lesser degree. Vote third party or not at all? A Democrat or Republican wins, Palestine is still fucked. There’s very little difference in the outcomes, so it’s not a useful criteria for making the choice. Sure, you might feel self-righteous for abstaining, but that in no way unfucks Palestine even a little bit.
Since there’s no difference in outcomes for Palestine, the decision should be made based on other criteria: immigration, civil rights, etc. Spending your time online telling voters not to vote for the lesser evil because they’re still evil does not prevent evil from filling the office
Imagine it this way: what if there were a major candidate who was resolute about aiding Palestine, withdrawing support for Israel, and even taking action against them? And what if vegans flooded online spaces to try to convince voters not to vote for them because they aren’t committed to ending meat consumption? Assume that neither candidate is committed to ending meat consumption.
How would you feel about those people taking actions that jeopardize Palestine because the pro-Palestine candidate isn’t vegan? Even if you’re vegan yourself and agree that meat consumption should end, not voting for the pro-Palestine candidate isn’t going to accomplish that. No option is going to accomplish that. They’re just sacrificing Palestine to make a stand on an issue that will turn out the same either way.
Okay.
… that’s exactly what every BlueMAGA says bud.
That’s exactly my point bud. Instead of trying to consider my point, it disagrees with you so you put it in the BlueMAGA box so you don’t have to think about it.
And no, every BlueMAGA doesn’t say that. They say to vote for their current neoliberal darling. They’re not encouraging you to vote for socialists in the primary.
It’s something rational leftists say to try to convince stalwart ideologues to act in a way that will actually help in some way.
I notice you didn’t even try to address my actual point. How would you feel about vegans trying to sabotage a non-vegan, Pro-Palestine candidate? Are you willing to sacrifice Palestine for a stand on something the other guy wasn’t going to do either? What’s the point? Cui bono?
If you can’t answer that question honestly then you need to rexamine your approach.
… That’s what you’re doing.
You’re trying to tell me that your motives make all the difference. I’m telling you on the internet if you walk like BlueMAGA and quack like BlueMAGA you’re BlueMAGA.
If we need their votes to win in the general election we need to consider who they would want in the primary.
BlueMAGA treats primaries like winner take all contests which is precisely how you described it. How many more general elections do you want to lose so you can continue living in that fantasy?
Answer the question. Sabotage a pro-Palestine candidate because they aren’t vegan yes or no.
Define “sabotage” in this context for me? People refusing to vote for a candidate they do not feel represents them?