• almost_genocide@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    They say to vote for their current neoliberal darling.

    … That’s what you’re doing.

    You’re trying to tell me that your motives make all the difference. I’m telling you on the internet if you walk like BlueMAGA and quack like BlueMAGA you’re BlueMAGA.

    How would you feel about vegans trying to sabotage a non-vegan, Pro-Palestine candidate?

    If we need their votes to win in the general election we need to consider who they would want in the primary.

    BlueMAGA treats primaries like winner take all contests which is precisely how you described it. How many more general elections do you want to lose so you can continue living in that fantasy?

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        2 days ago

        Define “sabotage” in this context for me? People refusing to vote for a candidate they do not feel represents them?

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              Discouraging people online from voting isn’t campaigning.

              Just to be clear, you support campaigning against a pro-Palestine candidate in a race against a pro-Israel candidate, on the grounds of promoting a change that neither one will implement. So you’re saying Palestinians are an acceptable sacrifice in order to make a moral stance which will not actually lead to any change.

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                2 days ago

                Discouraging people online from voting isn’t campaigning.

                Says you. 🤷

                You’re trying to turn this into some kind of gotcha for me but it won’t work because I believe in a functional democracy voters don’t owe politicians or other voters their votes. All you’re doing is making an argument against democracy.

                At the end of the day Biden/Harris didn’t win the election. If you wanted a different outcome you should be angry at them for failing to do their jobs as politicians and find a way to represent the people they were depending on to get reelected. Biden didn’t have to go around congress twice to ship weapons to Israel. Biden didn’t have to side with rail corporations and block the rail strike. But these are the decisions he made and Trump won again. If you want a better outcome then work to get better candidates through the primaries.

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                  2 days ago

                  I see you didn’t try to deny anything I said about you using Palestinians as disposable pawns for impotent grandstanding. Thank you, that’s really the only thing I needed to know.

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                    1 day ago

                    I see you’re not acknowledging you can make that argument for any number of circumstances which would eradicate the sole benefit of democracy. If voters are morally obligated to vote for a particular candidate you might as well not have voting at all.