• DagwoodIII@piefed.social
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    3 months ago

    Here’s my take on it.

    Read Hunter Thompson’s nonfiction book, 'Hell’s Angels."

    There’s a chapter in it about the economics of being a hippie/biker/dropout circa 1970.

    A biker could get a Union stevedore job, work six months, and have enough to go out on the road for two years. A part-time waitress could earn enough to support herself and her boyfriend.

    • poVoq@slrpnk.netM
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      3 months ago

      This is still largely the case. The problem is that there are not many skilled manufacturing jobs around that allow you to drop in and out like that, and that rental prices in larger cities have gone through the roof.

      Sure, those are somewhat related to the economy at large, but also very specific issues that have less to do with general poverty or income levels.

        • Melchior@feddit.org
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          In Germany minimum wage for a 20h/week waitress job would be 940€/month + tips after taxes. The boyfriend would get unemployment benefits of 500€/month. The main issue here is cheap housing, but especially in east Germany and more rural parts of the country, you can still find flats for 500€/month. It is obviously living on the cheap, but entirely possible.

  • tomatolung@sopuli.xyz
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    3 months ago

    This is the author’s post at Oxford: https://www.rsc.ox.ac.uk/news/global-poverty-trends-through-a-new-lens-olivier-sterck-article-for-voxdev

    Has global poverty fallen since 1990? Depending on which poverty line you use, the answer ranges from “we’ve made huge progress” to “nothing has changed”.

    Using the World Bank’s extreme poverty line of US$2.15/day (in 2017 PPP), the share of people in poverty fell from 38% of the world’s population in 1990 (about 2 billion people) to 8.5% in 2024 (690 million people) (Figure 1). This is often cited as a historic success.

    But raise the line – say to $21.5/day, as suggested by Pritchett and Viarengo (2025), or $30/day, as argued by Roser (2024) – and the picture changes entirely. The poverty rate is then extremely high, above 75%, and has barely budged since 1990. In absolute terms, the poverty headcount has even increased, from over 4 billion poor people in 1990 to over 6 billion poor people in 2024. Based on these numbers, the fight against global poverty appears to have failed.

    This divergence is not just a statistical quirk. All mainstream poverty measures share the same fundamental feature: they ignore everyone above the chosen line. With the extreme poverty line of the World Bank ($2.15/day), someone earning $2.16/day is treated as equally non-poor as someone earning $10, $100, or $1,000/day. Billions of low-income people – who most would agree still live in poverty – are therefore excluded from the statistics. And because there is no consensus on where to set the line, it is tempting to pick the one that tells the story you want.

    In Sterck (2026), I propose to measure income poverty without a poverty line. The idea is to measure poverty across the entire income distribution, rather than classifying people as poor or non-poor based on an arbitrary threshold.

    The measure’s key intuition is simple: if person A earns half as much as person B, then A is twice as poor. Poverty is therefore simply measured as the reciprocal of income, and its unit is simply inverted. If incomes are measured in dollars per day ($/day), poverty is measured in days per dollar (days/$).

    Average poverty is simply the average time it takes to earn $1 in a given population.

    In 2024, that value was equivalent to:

    • 1 day in DR Congo, Madagascar, South Sudan, and Mozambique
    • 12 hours in Haiti
    • 2 hours in China
    • 85 minutes in the US
    • 25 minutes in Switzerland.
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    3 months ago

    Going to bookmark this for the next time I hear Europeans chastise Americans for being rich and too comfortable and lazy to fight fascism.

    Putting aside social safety nets, an average American needs to work nearly 2.5x as long for the same dollar as an average German. And because that number is inclusive of the whole population, I have a sneaking suspicion that the USA’s larger Gini coefficient makes that ratio even higher between the poorer American vs poorer German.

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      3 months ago

      Yep, you are right. It’s on Europeans to mitigate the fallout, and Americans can leave depending on the midterms.

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    3 months ago

    I’m kind of relieved to see this new measurement because it gives back some credibility to the social sciences/economics.

    Anybody who has been in the US cannot miss the abundant poverty, which is unseen and unheard of in Western Europe.