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    1 day ago

    You are missing class context. In China, the working class control the state, and through them the corporations. In the US, the capitalist control the state and the corporations, and do fascism to prevent the workers from gaining any control over anything.

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        18 hours ago

        The CPC is made up of members of the working class, who both elect higher representatives and vote directly on numerous issues. Any member of the working class can join the CPC, provided they agree to the system of centralized democracy that governs the party.

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          17 hours ago

          By that definition most ‘western’ countries are controlled by the working class too, with the addition that literally everybody in the working class gets to vote.

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            16 hours ago

            Except in practice, when rich people are allowed to participate in the political process, they use their wealth to influence everything. So in the West, we technically have democracies, but in practice we actually have oligarchies where the entire system is set up to empower the wealthy and prevent the working class from gaining real power. Since China doesn’t allow the capitalists to participate in politics, their democracy remains in the hands of the people.

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              15 hours ago

              It would be extremely naive to think that the wealth doesn’t influence Party Politics in China.

              And there is no democracy in China. Electoral Democracy is one of the core pillars of Democracy itself, without it, it simply isn’t democratic. For that to be true in China there would have to be elections where everyone gets to vote.

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                  9 hours ago

                  Sure, and those definitely aren’t just Ji Jinpings political enemies that he is eliminating, as is usual in an authoritarian state.

                  And yeah, no. That’s not what Electoral Democracy is. Or when was the last time a different party with different ideas was elected to Power in China?

                  Honestly, the lengths tankies go to in order to convince themselves China is a Democracy is insane. Literally 1984 DoubleThink.

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                    2 hours ago

                    I used to think that too, then I started learning things. Always remember that the capitalists want you to think communism is the worst possible thing. Your opinions on China are based almost entirely on anti-communist propaganda designed to protect the oligarchies of the West.