JonEFive

Every hole is a chance for glory!

That should be the phrase on one of those “Keep calm and carry on” posters

Wait… I think this one might be true.

Apparently this is a hot take: He’s right. Impeachment of Trump is performative at this point. Dems still don’t have the votes in the senate to convict and remove. Trump is a lame duck president with two years left. Even if he were removed, what then? President JD Vance? That’s a lateral move at best with how much he lies too. The only difference is that JD could legally run in 2028. And if he’s already president, it’ll be tougher to get rid of him, especially if he tones down some of the MAGA behavior. Suddenly people might think that he’s reasonable compared to Trump.

Morally, and even legally, impeachment is the right thing to do. Politically, a presidential impeachment is pointless. If they’re gonna do it, do it fast, get everyone’s votes on the record, and move on.

I don’t want democrat attention on impeaching Trump when we know it won’t accomplish anything. I want them focused on legislation and creating lasting change even if Trump vetoes every bill. Better yet, start writing and updating legislation to criminalize some of the crazy stuff we’ve seen.

Just collect the evidence, prepare criminal cases, and prosecute on January 6th 2029.

As for positions other than president, yes, impeach every last one of them and refuse to confirm replacements.

Non binary god… uhh, doesn’t the bible basically say that God the spirit is genderless?

I do like your optimism, but I think elevating JD Vance to president at this stage is a bad idea. It would be a circus and a distraction from more important matters. It was one thing when Pence was VP who at least had some moral fiber left and it could have removed the possibility of a second term. It’s another thing with a lame duck president whose VP lies just as easily and openly as he does.

I didn’t say let them off the hook, I spoke only of impeachment and only of Trump. There are plenty of legal avenues to pursue outside of impeachment. Like maybe sentencing a felon after they’re convicted.

Mr. Frundles 😠

Wait… Did they really spell socialism wrong!?

You give way too much credit to these people. The simplest answer is usually correct, and the simplest answer is that some republican supporter with money thought socialism (socailism) is a big enough boogey man to get conservative voters to the polls and didn’t proofread their own ad.

Yes but not enough to convict.

Politics is an insane game to play. Here’s why impeaching is probably a bad idea at this point: It’s gonna take longer than two years and even if it is expedited and successful, if he’s removed, what do we gain? President JD Vance? Trump becomes a martyr, and Vance rides that into his own presidential bid in 2028.

You are morally and legally right that he needs to be impeached and removed, but will that further our goals at this point? Or will it be an unncessary distraction and a constant talking point about his victimhood for the right wing propaganda machine?

We’ve got a lame duck president now, best just to hobble him as best as they can, run out the clock, and focus on things that will make a more significant difference to the average person. Better to try to make some lasting change in the form of legislation.

No, it does. It’s called Project 2025.

His agenda isn’t what he told his voters, it never was.

Let’s be real, even stymieing Trump’s agenda, which is a certainty already, is progress.

…possibly.

Sure, and that’s true. I was more highlighting the problems with the pardon system overall.

That is exactly what I was explaining. Maybe I missed your point and we were saying the same thing.

Nobody wins when humans and microwaves argue

Dude, I’ve argued with my microwave and it isn’t even smart.

I could see thinking geographically and saying something like Cuba, but Ohio? That’s a new level of disconnection from reality.