• Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de
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    9 months ago

    I am also very supportive of women’s rights but lying is not helpful.

    Honestly the point that it tries to make is not the point that it makes either. It could be understood as “let’s ban abortion everywhere”, and I don’t think that is the point that it tries to make.

    I am in favor of bodily autonomy and I don’t care what the law currently is anywhere, it should be a given.

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      9 months ago

      I am also very supportive of women’s rights but lying is not helpful.

      Worth knowing: although they attract a lot of anti-feminist losers, the “men’s rights” activists are absolutely correct that men do not universally have the same support programs or even legal presumptions that women do. These can vary widely from state to state and even from court to court.

      It’s not nearly as big an issue as “they want her to die from a miscarriage”, but “they presume he’s the inferior parent” or “they presume he caused the violence even if he’s the one bleeding” are also sexist oppression.

      (Comparisons to the anti-woke “all lives matter” bullshit are apt – men can and should recognize that relatively minor slights and injustices are not nearly as urgent as denying pregnant humans life-saving care!)

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        if they assume he’s the inferior parent, why do the men win custody almost every fucking time they try, whereas the woman involved gets the kid dumped on her, completely, with no child support orders unless she fights for them, anytime the guy doesn’t want anything to do with the kid he knocked her up with?

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          9 months ago

          why do the men win custody almost every fucking time they try

          I know where you’re getting this from. Just so you know, it comes from a deliberately misleading interpretation of “winning custody”, where if a man seeks any amount of custody, and is granted anything more than nothing at all, it’s ‘counted’ by those spreading this propaganda, a “win”. This is as opposed to what any reasonable person would call a “win”, which is when one gets at least as much custody as one seeks. That’s like calling me a “lottery winner” because I won $5 after spending $1000 on tickets, lol.

          If the mother of my child is abusive and I try to get full custody, but the judge gives me every other week supervised visitation, that is obviously not a “win”, but it is, by the definition of the misandrists who propagated that particular piece of bullshit around.

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          9 months ago

          Like i said, the issue varys wildly by state or court.

          Although part of the reason why men who ask for custody get it more than 50% of the time is that very often they know (or believe) they don’t have a chance and so don’t fight.

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      9 months ago

      The irony is that the issue they’re talking about involves women losing, in some states, rights that men have never had in any state; men have zero legal means of opting out of parenthood, full stop.

      If this was about women losing something that men aren’t already without, they might have the foundation of a point. But it’s still a fact that women haven’t really given a shit about advocating for giving men the equivalent rights, throughout the decades that they had them nationwide.