• Micromot@piefed.social
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    4 days ago

    And that’s why I think people are able to convinced by discussion. It might take some time and it might be difficult but they are still human at the core. I don’t think people like this should get a platform but it is necessary to push against the spread of hatred and the deeply ingrained propaganda. It is difficult but not impossible.

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      It might take some time and it might be difficult

      It’s been over a decade and they’ve had mountains of facts dumped on them and it hasn’t moved the needle. The only thing that’s changing them is if they end up being personally affected by their own actions. And even then, they tend to just default to blaming liberals/democrats for their self-induced problems.

      they are still human at the core

      And? Plenty of irredeemably evil humans have existing throughout human history.

    • Soggy@lemmy.world
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      4 days ago

      Not worth the effort. Fix their children by supporting public education and fighting the sources of propaganda. Push for laws about what is allowed to be said in the news, punish lying or fraud.

      Changing the mind of an adult who is not trying to change is close to impossible. One of the first steps in breaking indoctrination is cutting off from the source and any connected social ties or they’ll just get dragged back in. And those social ties make them feel good, they feel validated and important when their community agrees. You can’t fight that.

      • DarkFuture@lemmy.world
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        3 days ago

        Push for laws about what is allowed to be said in the news, punish lying or fraud.

        Yeah, there’s really no getting better until we clean up our media. You can’t have a functional democracy while having unrestrained propaganda networks. The two simply can’t co-exist.

      • Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        3 days ago

        Yep, it’s frustrating, having had plenty of theological and ethical debate in my life was enough to convince myself to not bother talking to these people, it’s an act of futility, a waste of your own good time

        • Soggy@lemmy.world
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          I’ll challenge stupid-ass ideas in public spaces. Not because I think it makes a difference for the source but just to ensure other people see an alternative. Theological and ethical debates can be fun and rewarding with people you share mutual respect, not with anonymous jackasses looking to get a rise out of folks.