• HugeNerd@lemmy.ca
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    3 days ago

    Violence and murder is almost never the answer

    It almost always is. That’s why most countries have a military.

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      Militaries are used as a matter of last resort normally. And its only a cause of bad diplomacy, if all else fails. Thats also why wars of aggression are frowned upon. Maybe not true for the US and their insane President but for every other place usually its only to defend. Murder isn’t defending. If not under very specific circumstances its right to be frowned upon

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          None of this invalidates my last statement. Europe hasn’t had a war between EU members since it was founded. But it also has nothing to with my argument against using violent means in a half-working democracy when it comes to CEOs and individuals alike. And even in situation where wars are used I would say in most cases its not really a good answer since it comes at great costs

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            Europe hasn’t had a war between EU members since it was founded.

            That’s an odd choice. WWI and WWII started in Europe. What does the EU have to do with anything? Because you picked some arbitrary cutoff point that’s supposed to mean anything?

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              Internally the EU has been a strong diplomatic success. I’m showing that violence shouldn’t be the only option for change because its not. Comparing civil infighting with state wars was very arbitrary to begin with

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            You say its not the answer then what is the answer? The people making the laws have failed us. Any form of peaceful protests dont work. People are suffering and being killed.

            Violence is a last resort yes and brother we are out of all the other resorts unfortunately. Its not the people’s fault to resort to violence but rather the oppressors that give no other option so if you want to be mad at someone be mad at them.

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              I mean i wish everyone well. I fear that violence will not lead to the desired outcome. Once violence is normalized and things run their way the cat is out the box. And its possible you can’t contain things. People online like here are pretty radicalized. Many speak out but most don’t act for the fear of repercussions. I think change takes time and effort. I believe at least some Jan 6th protestors believed what they were doing was right and justified. The way people are reacting with my calls for levelheadedness makes me think they are another side of the same radical coin.

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        A lot of people will agree with the base sentiment “Violence is only justified when your life is threatened”.

        Well, a huge number of people don’t really threaten in an obvious way by putting a gun in someone’s face. They will cut off people’s water, food, or air, or make such things prohibitively expensive to maintain. They will run legitimized “law enforcement strike operations”, but in effect, what they’re doing is from a state of peace, electing to murder people that have done them no harm.

        Thankfully, or not, in 2025/2026, this stuff is a LOT more obvious than it was before. Politicians pointed out how recent initiatives would, provably, lead to thousands of deaths, and all of it was ignored with no counter-argument.

        I agree with you about military being a matter of last resort. That’s the way it is for anyone sane, and doesn’t turn away the base point.