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There are a lot of tankies on Lemmy. If you do not like to interact with them, you can make your user experience a lot better, if you block the instances, where you see tankie comments, or posts, heavily upvoted. They sometimes comment on random places, so it is impossible to avoid completely, but at least then, their comments denying Uighur genocide and that kind, are usually argued against.
I just don’t know where to draw the line.
Like I hear rumors that lemmy.ml is infested with tankies but I generally do not see that anecdotally as I’ve lurked over the years. Their posts tend to be a lot more moderate, but as I found out, at least one of the moderators in one of their communities is pretty tankie. I also got dogpiled with votes in the “Is Xinnie the Pooh always racist?” discussion, so it could be the silent majority are tankies or otherwise rabidly pro-socialism/anti-racism. So you’re saying I should just block the entire instance off of one bad experience and some rumors? I ended up just blocking the community a few days ago.
Then there’s lemmy.dbzer0.com which is an anarchist instance as I understand them, so the instance itself is not tankie but lets tankies do their thing. So if I block the instance I’d just be throwing the baby out with the tankie bathwater?
Tough choices. I feel like blocking instances for things like this would very rapidly make my fediverse very small, especially given the entire foundation and growth of the platform arguably arises from decentralization in protest of auth-right social media platforms. I would rather rub elbows with tankies discussing non-tankie topics than proactively cut myself off from all suspected tankies and thus a huge swathe of the fediverse.
Edit to add after I saw the last line of your comment (did you add it late? does Lemmy support ninja-edits like Reddit?):
I’m pretty sure that my announcing that I blocked the two users who were arguing with me and asserting that I was racist for not realizing Xinnie the Pooh could have racist connotations as well as saying the Uighur genocide is western propaganda is what actually got me banned and all of my comments nuked. Obviously they’re too far gone, but they wanted to make a spectacle of me and as soon as I noped out they realized I could no longer be fit for purpose.
It is tough choices, I agree. I usually block only communities and users, but I have blocked some instances, that pop out as constantly bringing annoying posts on my feed. Personally I have very low tolerance for tankie propaganda, but on the other hand I also hate the Usaian discourse dominating everything, and try to block the communities having only USA-centric news and political debates. I guess we all just have to choose, for what reasons we interact with platforms, like these. I do it for fun, and that means I am “trigger-happy” when blocking - you might be seeking something else.
But yes, that I think arguing with tankies and the like, ends up being practically pointless, or even harmful. A lot of them seem to be just "Winnie the Pooh"s propagandists, so they are not interacting in good faith. They will just gishgallop with walls of texts, to exhaust you, and interacting with them just allows them to get more visibility, and spread their propaganda even further. The same applies to other propagandists too, but on Lemmy I have mostly seen just “tankies” doing it for China and Russia.
Sadly this also means, that if they post heavily on some instances, that could have some good purposes (like the anarchist ones), in the end interacting with those just gives them more visibility as well. You can also easily spot, when you hit the nail in the head and found them, when you criticize Russia or China, and get a lot of downvotes. I know many people think, it is good to see the opposite opinions, and I agree. But when there is so much bad faith actors around, in the end, it is going to affect you negatively, in one way or another.
I did not add it, but Lemmy allows “ninja-edits” for few minutes after posting, I think. I personally aim to mark, when I edit the comments, so people do not have to guess what changed.
Yeah, the trick then becomes, “At what percentage, with how many anecdotes, do I consider a community/instance Bad Faith Central?”
Like I said, getting 20+ downvotes and 0 upvotes followed by a ban for my “Huh, I never realized the potential racism connection between Winnie The Pooh -> yellow -> Asian before this conversation, but I still disagree that anyone who criticizes Xi Jinping or the CCP is racist” comments was a large red (heh) flag in my face that made me instantly block the community, but the other one (+6/-6 comment removed for “Electoralism” for saying attacking Kamala Harris for supporting the DSA is silly party purity cannibalism) is a tougher call.
There’s also the issue of insulating myself from differing viewpoints essentially creating my own echo chamber. As you indicated, for me Lemmy isn’t just Fun, it’s also a way for me to interact with and learn from different people around the world. I hadn’t met someone IRL who had anything positive to say about the CCP until I was well into being a grown man, for example. I do value hearing from those people because there is bound to be some truth to what they say, and it helps me grow as a person and think about my own government more critically.
But you’re right in that critical thinking is not necessarily Fun, and can be exhausting or even a waste of time in scenarios like I mentioned where by the 5th reply it was no longer about realizing that some people might be using Xinnie the Pooh to further racism but suddenly a tankie circle-jerk where I’m being dogpiled and accused of being a racist because I didn’t realize that previously, with a bit of Uighur Genocide denial as a cherry on top. I’d link the thread for the curious who want to read what was actually said, but given your own comments are deleted on Lemmy when a moderator deletes them, I can’t find it any more.
Yes… at what point do you stop blocking the single posters, but block the community instead? And at what point do you stop blocking the communities, and block the whole instance? We all draw those lines differently, but it is definitely not easy, when you also want to interact with the people thinking differently, but also in good faith. And how to spot those people, from the mass of bots, propagandists, trolls, and useful idiots… And not end up wasting that time, or unintentionally boosting their message.
Though, for me the last line absolutely is drawn in the genocide-denialism, as for example defending Chinas “assimilation”, is just wording genocide to sound palatable. If the moderators of a community accept it, and other users upvote it, it goes into the “sitting at the table with nazis”-metaphora, for me. It really is very important, to hear other viewpoints, to avoid the echo chamber, but I also refuse to become a part of the crowd even just accepting the approval or defending of attrocities from the sidelines. Some people of course do find something worthwhile in reading, or even taking opposing part in even the worst discussions as well, but I just get unhinged and extremely angry, and that is not a good thing to expose yourself to all the time. Especially, when I seek the mentioned fun here, be it memes, or meaningful discussions (like this one), as I already get my dose of Awful, from following the news from multiple sources.
Yeah that was the exact point I decided that they were accidental or intentional CCP propagandists and pulled the eject handle on my presence in the thread by announcing I was blocking them both for it. My ban from the community followed minutes later. Surely, a complete coincidence.