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Not a fan. This is inherently anti-democratic, regardless of the views that the efn espouses.
You are wrong. People like this shouldn’t be given a chance to be voted for, lest their propaganda wins and we end up in a full blown WW3.
Obviously these powers to ban a party must be kept under high scrutiny of the public incase they start banning all of their competition, but in this case right now It is good.
I’m not a fan of killing cockroaches but I’d rather do that than let them run around the house.
That said, these particular cockroaches are everywhere now.
These groups are themselves anti-democratic. Democracy is allowed to defend itself.
I would go further, democracy must defend itself. It’s an embarrassing failure to allow anti-democratic parties to gain power through democratic means.
Well, this is democracy undermining itself. Parties with millions of supporters don’t just randomly pop up for no reason. They come about due to real people having real problems.
Banning parties is a good way to become blind to that.
That is just a pragmatic argument, independent of my conviction that every citizen should have a right to equal representation, a right to be heard. No ifs’ and buts’ and no “but not like that” if I find their opinions unpalatable.
It is the same foundation I stand on to assert my own right. I will have my say. If that were taken away, I’d be inclined to tear it all down.
One very angry person can do a lot of damage today. How about the ten million who voted for AFD in the most recent German election? Or maybe just the seventy thousand who are active members? They are surely more extreme than you or I. That’s more people than there are jail cells in Germany right now.
Those aren’t real problems. They are lies specifically meant to influence people into believing that foreigners are a problem. That is why they are antidemocratic and must be banned. There’s already plenty of official evidence from a legal standpoint. How is this so difficult to understand?
Did you even read my comment?
Let me repeat the most important part for you:
That is my conviction, regardless of ideology. It doesn’t matter how much you highlight what the AFD stand for, because it is fundamentally irrelevant to my opinion on the subject.
Which problems?
Decreasing standard of living? Rising energy prices? High home prices? A stagnating economy?
You don’t convince someone to change ideology by saying “your problems aren’t real”. You do it by identifying the real problems, because I promise you that they exist. Then, convince them that a better solution exists than what their current ideology proposes.
When people are being brainwashed into focussing on brown people = bad, then no. Fuck that. That has nothing to do with democracy. The AfD stands for nothing other than their own gains.
And the problems you listed aren’t the things they’re addressing.
There is no reasoning. It’s pure brain washing. Don’t support that kind of shit.
They claim to (read their party program), and they’ve convinced millions to agree regardless of how we feel about that.
This is the easy way out, dismissing them outright, simply retreating. Without understanding and addressing their claims, however false they may be, you are fundamentally handicapped in challenging them - it is one of the key reasons that the AFD have managed to become so large in the first place.
Such rhetoric might get clamor and agreement from those who already reject their ideas, but is unlikely to convince many, if anybody in the other camp.
Look, the entire fucking country tried to find reason in this party. There is none. They’re funded by Russia and want to destabilize Europe for their own gains. It’s painfully obvious. I understand your take and to a certain extent I applaud you for it. But the AfD is very officially unconstitutional and antidemocratic. And a ban is to prevent parties like that from fucking everything up. This happened to the NPD already and it was the right thing to do.
It is definitely far too late for this, it should’ve been done 10 years ago, but better late than never. The cancer should’ve been surgically removed when it was small, now it has grown very large and removing it means losing an arm and half a lung but that’s no reason to give up and let it overtake the rest of the body.
There is no room for fascists.
Check out the concept of the tolerance paradox, it might shift your point of view a bit. Think there’s a copy pasta of a nazi bar that’s in a similar context
I’m familiar with both, and the nazi bar equivalency is a false parallell.
The antidote to anti-establishment movements in democracies (which AFD & their related parties across Europe are at this point) is strengthening public trust and legitimacy, not creating the tools to dismantle it.
That’s like saying that since crime is mostly a symptom of a systemic issue, we shouldn’t prosecute it.
No, it’s like saying the police shouldn’t fight crime by breaking the law, because it undermines trust in the legal system.
For a prime example of that in action, see the US.
That’s… not at all equivalent.
How so?
Because long term policies require short term patches, so problems don’t get out of hand too early.
Policing crime and implementing mechanisms so people don’t need to resort to it in the long term, are complementary, but without the former, chances of the latter to work are slim.
From your point of view, it’s fine to let nazis win now as long as we set out to fix the root cause later, which is naive at several levels, most importantly because if they find their way to office, they will fight any policy that could make them irrelevant. Even more, since they are purely reactionary parties with no real policies, they are incentivized to manufacture more enemies and false issues. And if you don’t believe me, look at pretty much any reactionary cabinet in the world from the past 20 years, from the US to Russia to Hungary.