• givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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    7 days ago

    Socialism used to be something we Americans picked up in our freshman dorm room and dropped right around the time HR walked us through the concept of a 401(k) match

    I hate when people project their own failings onto everyone else to feel better about themselves…

    Loads of people can personally accumulate wealth well past entry level.office work and not sell out their class.

    Also pretty underhanded to call utility monopolies socialism when it’s a capitalist monopoly. If basic services operate for profit, it doesn’t matter if the city or a corp gets the profits. It shouldn’t be free, but public utilities just should never turn a profit.

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      The concept of a 401k should, to anyone with a working brain, push people towards socialism.

      The idea that you should sacrifice what little compensation you get to plan for the unplanable next 50-60 years, and its really all on you, is total capitalist horseshit.

      Anyone duped into supporting capitalism based on a 401k is such a mouth-breathing troglodyte, they shouldn’t have the right to vote.

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      Surviving within the system doesn’t mean you believe in or support said system. I would much rather have my old pension that was eliminated at my last job than have my financial security hinge on the whims of a bunch of gambling addicts and AI bros.

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        Surviving within the system doesn’t mean you believe in or support said system

        Cool, but that’s not what the article said…

        Socialism used to be something we Americans picked up in our freshman dorm room and dropped right around the time HR walked us through the concept of a 401(k) match

        Like…

        I quoted the literal words from the article, explained my issue with them…

        And your response to that was essentially:

        But what if it wasn’t what they said, what if they said the opposite?

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      7 days ago

      Well, I do see value in the use of civil asset forfeiture to distribute housing. I would have to think for a second about signing up for privatized law enforcement if my local police force used that to get some mansions to themselves.

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        . I would have to think for a second about signing up for privatized law enforcement if my local police force used that to get some mansions to themselves

        The only way that seems logical is if you thought what I said about “basic services shouldn’t operate for profit” somehow meant that no one providing labor for those services should be paid…

        And then public employees would need to just seize what they need to survive.

        But that can’t be what you meant, can it?

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          I mean that acquiring a mansion for the price of a planted gun and claims of self-defense is a small price to pay. Think about it: A mansion can be YOURS without having to pay the full price. Surely you admit that the temptation of significant personal profit - protected by your other for profit LEO buddies who also have their own mansions - is very alluring, yes?

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            I’m sorry, that makes even less sense…

            You’ve clearly misunderstood everything I’ve said, I just dont know how to clarify because I have no fucking clue how anyone would interpret it like you have.

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      I’m only familiar with local utilities, but are there public utilities that turn profits? What happens to the profits?

      I know of private utilities that are owned by municipalities and they pay dividends back to the municipality which is used in the city budget. There is also Hydro One which is about 50% owned by various orgs and is publicly traded. They pay dividends but like $0.35 per share, quarterly.

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        Southern California Edison. Waste Management. Every internet company. Water and sewer are about the only public utilities that are handled by the city in my city.

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          The person I was replying to said public utilities shouldn’t turn a profit, so I was asking about public utilities that turn profits, not privatized utilities.