Could democratic socialism become the brand of a new generation of political actors — not just on the fringe, not just in New York City, but across the country?
  • binux@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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    9 days ago

    Where did you get this definition of socialism from? There’s no such thing as as socialism that allows for capitalist ownership of the means of production; if a socialist says it’s fine, they’re not a socialist.

    As per Einstein himself (in his article entitled “Why Socialism?”):

    In [a socialist economy], the means of production are owned by society itself and are utilised in a planned fashion. A planned economy, which adjusts production to the needs of the community, would distribute the work to be done among all those able to work and would guarantee a livelihood to every man, woman, and child.

    As you can see, as the means of production are owned and maintained by society itself in a socialist economy, there would be no possibility for any aspiring capitalist to accrue those means for themselves, and thereby maximize their own profit. In theory they would just be another worker without any special economical advantage over anyone else.

    • Sunflier@lemmy.worldEnglish
      21·
      9 days ago

      Where did you get this definition of socialism from? There’s no such thing as as socialism that allows for capitalist ownership of the means of production; if a socialist says it’s fine, they’re not a socialist.

      The distinction between socialism and communism is well known and studied. The key differences are:

      Communism:

      All property is communally owned, and each person receives a portion based on need. In practice, a strong central government—the state—controls all aspects of economic production and provides citizens with their basic necessities, including food, housing, medical care and education.

      Socialism:

      individuals can still own property. But industrial production, or the chief means of generating wealth, is communally owned and managed by a democratically elected government.

      You can find the basis of my quotes here, on the history channel’s very own website. You can also see the clear distinction in Europe’s current Democratic Socialism vs. Russia’s Communist stuff.

      • binux@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        11·
        9 days ago

        The History channel? As in the channel that hosts and broadcasts “Ancient Aliens”? You’re not exactly helping your case here.

        Additionally, you’re incorrect in your citing of the notion that all property in a communist state is communally owned. All private property is communally owned, but that only goes for anything falling into the category of productive assets used to generate profit and subsume labour. You’re by all means still entitled in such states to owning any personal property, i.e. various forms of entertainment, food, toiletries, housing, etc. The whole basis of your distinction pretty much falls apart through that correction alone.

        For the sake of providing an external source, you can read further on socialist/communist ideas through this website, particularly the first two paragraphs which once again thoroughly deconstructs your false distinction of the aforementioned ideologies.

      • Jarix@lemmy.world
        12·
        9 days ago

        Just curious if your head hurts from banging it against so many walls…

          • Jarix@lemmy.world
            21·
            9 days ago

            That’s seems pretty rude for someone who is on your side. Maybe I’m missing your joke though.

            My words were an expression of solidarity with you. I thought it was funny way to recognize you banging your head against the wall as the expression goes, but maybe you didn’t get my joke?

            I found it funny how you kept having to educate people and they seemingly didn’t understand what you were saying.

            Sorry if I wasn’t clear on that friend